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[FARQ3X]

can someone emphasize on how theodore enterprise got their "legit cash"
thx

I meant Djole owning downtown

[djole]

Because it is, sherlock.

10/10 shitpost. (y)

It's rather interesting how you complain about redundant groups owning big amount of properties when you own 1/4 of Los Santos yourself and I've never seen you organize any mass RPs.....

Barabe is still a group that's struggling to get members as we don't want "12 yearolds who don't know english and only DM" (not a provocation or slander, this is a direct quote from a leader of a big LS group directed at his own members). We aim to promote quality roleplay and in turn are looking for quality roleplayers. I think you'll agree that isn't an easy task on Argonath. However we are making progress, organising more people, and the big amount of properties which make up 1/4 of Los Santos will soon be in the hands of new members and each of those properties will be home to a unique RP. On another note do you genuinely expect a group that's been active for as little as a few months to organise multiple mass RPs?

That being said I do think official groups are a joke, you know something is wrong when a group that's been around for just 1 year and has only 10 topic pages has an official status.

Yeah...

Not roleplaying with "everyone" doesn't actually mean that he doesn't roleplay.

Yes I agree with that, but he basically threw the same accusation in his first post at other people.

Where exactly do you see me throwing accusations in any of my posts? The problems I have stated in the first post are facts. Facts with whom you yourself have agreed just one reply above in the thread. I didn't state any specific groups are a problem, or that all of them are a problem. I merely pointed out that it might be a good idea to reevaluate certain groups' statuses.

I haven't seen a Barabe, GSF, or Araatus online this whole month, less for RP scenarios.

As I previously said Barabe are still struggling with recruiting new members and developing our groups' and character stories, but from all I can tell a good percentage of our members are quite active. As far as GSF goes frankly I have no idea what you've been looking at if you haven't seen them online...

can someone emphasize on how theodore enterprise got their "legit cash"
thx

Please refrain from making slanderous accusations - this is exactly what your comment is. Do you have any evidence to support this claim? It'd be a whole different thing if someone from said organisation was found guilty of abuse of power and script abuse mentioned in the 4th paragraph of this topic, then we'd be able to ask more questions. However as of now these claims are highly malicious. All I will further comment regarding this matter is that the timing of selling some of the properties mentioned in this thread, which I assume are also the ones you're referring to, is at the very least, suspicious.

Once again it has proven that having a constructive and non-provocative discussion on these forums is impossible. I once again urge the community to read the topic and replies thoroughly before posting your replies.

[FARQ3X]

10/10 shitpost. (y)

Barabe is still a group that's struggling to get members as we don't want "12 yearolds who don't know english and only DM" (not a provocation or slander, this is a direct quote from a leader of a big LS group directed at his own members). We aim to promote quality roleplay and in turn are looking for quality roleplayers. I think you'll agree that isn't an easy task on Argonath. However we are making progress, organising more people, and the big amount of properties which make up 1/4 of Los Santos will soon be in the hands of new members and each of those properties will be home to a unique RP. On another note do you genuinely expect a group that's been active for as little as a few months to organise multiple mass RPs?

Yeah...

Where exactly do you see me throwing accusations in any of my posts? The problems I have stated in the first post are facts. Facts with whom you yourself have agreed just one reply above in the thread. I didn't state any specific groups are a problem, or that all of them are a problem. I merely pointed out that it might be a good idea to reevaluate certain groups' statuses.

As I previously said Barabe are still struggling with recruiting new members and developing our groups' and character stories, but from all I can tell a good percentage of our members are quite active. As far as GSF goes frankly I have no idea what you've been looking at if you haven't seen them online...

Please refrain from making slanderous accusations - this is exactly what your comment is. Do you have any evidence to support this claim? It'd be a whole different thing if someone from said organisation was found guilty of abuse of power and script abuse mentioned in the 4th paragraph of this topic, then we'd be able to ask more questions. However as of now these claims are highly malicious. All I will further comment regarding this matter is that the timing of selling some of the properties mentioned in this thread, which I assume are also the ones you're referring to, is at the very least, suspicious.

Once again it has proven that having a constructive and non-provocative discussion on these forums is impossible. Perhaps it might be a good idea to lock this thread up to prevent further pointless and off-topic arguments.

Also some of properties have been taken from players without real reason.

[Teddy]

Just because activity isn't posted on a topic like it's some fucking Instagram feed, doesn't mean activity and progress isn't happening. In fact it's most intentional the activities of my business aren't conducted by me anymore or in broad daylight. But do not doubt, whenever I am in-game I always have created circumstance for quality roleplay and did so quite extensively when first forming the Enterprise which led to it's status. So, here's an idea for your issue: why don't you shut up with what you don't know. Thanks.

[djole]

Just because activity isn't posted on a topic like it's some fucking Instagram feed, doesn't mean activity and progress isn't happening.

It's one thing to not be posting to a groups'/businesses' topic like it's some fucking instagram feed, however it's a completely different story to barely post any updates at all. And correct me if I'm wrong here, but shouldn't a group that has the highest status possible IG be active in all forms i.e. also the forums and in turn promote well constructed RP scenarios all across the community?

In fact it's most intentional the activities of my business aren't conducted by me anymore or in broad daylight.

Pardon me for asking but since you've brought it up who does conduct the day-to-day affairs so to speak? I think that would certainly clear some things up activity-wise unless this is some sort of confidential trade secret of your group. From what I've seen only one of the members (unless there are associates which are not listed under the group) is active and from what I've also noticed he's mostly, if not entirely roleplaying a different character nowdays.

But do not doubt, whenever I am in-game I always have created circumstance for quality roleplay and did so quite extensively when first forming the Enterprise which led to it's status.

Once again I'm not really aiming to be considered as a shit talker or to be provoking, but you've brought the matter up on your own. How often are you really IG and actually actively roleplaying? Would this amount of activity be considered adequate for a member (a leader at that) of an official group? I understand you're quite busy being a manager and if I've gathered correctly some sort of scripting team head/leader? but that shouldn't really be an excuse now should it? And in this instance I was not questioning how this group got its status I was merely presenting the current state of things as far as the public eye could see.

On another note the multiple incorrect statuses (official, criminal) of TER, a subsidiary of TE, were also brought into question and found nullified soon after the posting of this thread. This fact in itself exposes the status of it's mother company (group) to scrutiny.

So, here's an idea for your issue: why don't you shut up with what you don't know. Thanks.

Now this brings me to my last point, and I've gotta say this reply was the toughest one to read and also to reply to. I don't understand where all of this hostility is coming from... Even if I am in fact completely wrong in the matter, this is surely no way for any member of the community to be speaking to another, especially newer member, particularly if you're a high ranking official of the administration team and from what I've heard, to some, a valued member of the community.

I apologise if you've found yourself insulted in any way because of this thread. Though I believe it was well enough worded and well intentioned in its nature so not to offend anyone, but simply, to point out some minor or more important issues with the server and in the community currently and to offer some insight into how they may be resolved.

I suppose I expected this thread to be a lot more well accepted by the community and for the members to also present their own well established views on the presented matters at hand.

On another note I'd just like to check in with @Devin to see if there's been any progress with finding the culprit(s) and accomplice(s) of the power/script abuse that had taken place earlier this month.

I hope we can continue this discussion in a more civilised manner as some of these subjects have appeared to cause certain people to lose their temper.

Cheers,
Djole

[Danny_Leo]

Well I hope this won't get locked.
Communication between players and server HQ is vital.

[Teddy]

It's one thing to not be posting to a groups'/businesses' topic like it's some fucking instagram feed, however it's a completely different story to barely post any updates at all. And correct me if I'm wrong here, but shouldn't a group that has the highest status possible IG be active in all forms i.e. also the forums and in turn promote well constructed RP scenarios all across the community?

I did post updates often but nobody seemed interested, so I stopped. Besides, I see no obligation to post the businesses affairs to people who they really have no affect on.

Pardon me for asking but since you've brought it up who does conduct the day-to-day affairs so to speak? I think that would certainly clear some things up activity-wise unless this is some sort of confidential trade secret of your group. From what I've seen only one of the members (unless there are associates which are not listed under the group) is active and from what I've also noticed he's mostly, if not entirely roleplaying a different character nowdays.

There are two business fronts and out of roleplay I will say TEResearch is the "less than legal" aspect of the Enterprise. You pointed out some indicators of that, and for that reason much of the operational details are kept under wrap. As for the main Enterprise; it's exact operations are mainly in funding at this point. We fund iDrive and a few other groups (although timezones are becoming a problem along with my availability). In addition, you can see our legal division having some fingers on some court cases in recent weeks.

Once again I'm not really aiming to be considered as a shit talker or to be provoking, but you've brought the matter up on your own. How often are you really IG and actually actively roleplaying? Would this amount of activity be considered adequate for a member (a leader at that) of an official group? I understand you're quite busy being a manager and if I've gathered correctly some sort of scripting team head/leader? but that shouldn't really be an excuse now should it? And in this instance I was not questioning how this group got its status I was merely presenting the current state of things as far as the public eye could see.

I am not a manager anymore, I have resigned so I will have more freetime to spend in-game without being annoyed with stupid bored kids and be able to roleplay as much as we once did. Yes, I am not able to get in-game as much as I was able to a year ago, or even a few months ago, but I am still committed to TE and it's subsidiaries.

Yes, I am the scripting team leader of SA-MP RPG, plus I serve as a development aide to the rest of the community including the forums, and a few other game servers. I do believe that my commitment to the community does render a bit of a break of not being able to spend hours on end in-game

Now this brings me to my last point, and I've gotta say this reply was the toughest one to read and also to reply to. I don't understand where all of this hostility is coming from... Even if I am in fact completely wrong in the matter, this is surely no way for any member of the community to be speaking to another, especially newer member, particularly if you're a high ranking official of the administration team and from what I've heard, to some, a valued member of the community.

The hostility is at everyone. I am so sick and tired of people bitching without know what the fuck they are talking about. In truth, I am just so sick of bitching entirely, it never ends. I will give you credit for taking an effort to fix it but I do not appreciate you throwing around shit in the first place without getting the facts straight. One of the reasons I resigned as a manager is so I could actually just focus on getting in-game and closer with the community, and no on the forums dealing with everyone's shit moaning... mostly from people who don't even play.

[jovanca]

Teddy do you mind explaining here, publicly, why was i suspended and banned?

[McGarrett]

Teddy do you mind explaining here, publicly, why was i suspended and banned?

What about you start thinking before you post and stop putting Teddy in a shitty position?

[Teddy]

Teddy do you mind explaining here, publicly, why was i suspended and banned?

If you really want to go down this road in public. I would've preferred to respect your right to keep this private.

You were suspended for a pending investigation into a large handful of different complaints. A suspension was a choice due to the sheer number of complaints, I found that rather than let more cases possibly be opened, we investigate the one's we had more closely. A select few of those cases had grounds to consider them legitimate.

You were banned for acting like a god damn child. My banning you wasn't intended to be a perm. just for you to calm down before you did something stupid. I've since resigned as a manager and am no longer handling your case.

[Teddy]

Well I hope this won't get locked.
Communication between players and server HQ is vital.

I have never been against communication. What isn't beneficial is aimless moaning for the sake of bitching, that I have been against and won't deal with. Constructive criticism, always welcome. You are simply ignorant if you've thought otherwise.

[jovanca]

As i said back then, i got evidence of what i was accused for, which is punishing a player for something that happened while i was on nonadmin, being false. I offered it to you, but you didn't care much (atleast from what i saw). The moment you decided to suspend me, it went public. I could have simply answered every question you had and provided everything you needed to investigate the whole case without getting suspended at first. When we joined staff, you told us we're a team. That's not how i threat my team mates, and that's not how i like to be threated either.

[Teddy]

As i said back then, i got evidence of what i was accused for, which is punishing a player for something that happened while i was on nonadmin, being false. I offered it to you. The moment you decided to suspend me it went public. I could have simply answered every question you had and provided everything you needed to investigated without getting suspended at first. When we joined staff, you told us we're a team. That's not how i threat my team mates, and that's not how i like to be threated either.

That was one specific case. One of many.

and do you know how stupid it is to question someone before investigating? then selecting to investigate based on their answers? That has to be the most illogical thing I have ever heard.

Yes, I said you were a team. You're absolutely right. You also have a responsibility to be a mature member of that team. You failed to deliver on that. You got punished. Suck it up and deal with it buttercup. I don't think the current HQ will even consider taking you back after a little fit like that. It's not the kind of behavior expected of staff.

[jovanca]

I still don't see which part of my behaviour you consider immature. Did i get pissed after getting suspended? Yes. I shared my thoughts with my group members only, and in no way targeted you or anyone else, which is what i got accused for also.

[Teddy]

If you don't understand what you've done wrong, you only prove you didn't deserve to be in the team in the first place.