Peace Treaty 30/05/2016

[Ramo_Hawk]

So if they weren't acting as FLA, why would law enforcement not be allowed to enter Angel Pine to arrest them?

Nobody's fault in particular, but I think the confines of this treaty need to be defined a little better.

As I said, doesn't matter if we were acting as FLA or NOT, we were still in a different country with different laws with different boarders, why is that so difficult to understand?

[Mikal]

Correct but that is not possible when the leader of FLA was the one leading the assault and one of the first people to shoot.

Why are you making out we game into LS and straight up attacked you and why are you making out it was an FLA action? We came to save our friend but you already killed him and so the only thing left to do was save his weed, it was a criminal action, not an FLA one.

FLA is just like America: acting like the world police. It is time that you understood that the law enforcement agencies will always outgun and overwhelm you. This is why FLA and other terrorist groups will never fit into Argonath

Except for the fact that law enforcement rarely out number us these days, we are the biggest and most active group on the server, and do enlighten me as to how saving a friend and his weed are 'world police' or terrorist actions? If you think FLA is so bad start looking at the first page of our topic and work your way up, you'll see that it's law enforcement who forced us to evolve into the giant we are today, from the first brutal confrontationa at roads we blocked to the taser incident by SWAT at Flint County, it is law enforcement that made us have to grow so big, but you refuse to see that and think you're all innocent in this mess, I honestly don'the know what the solution to this is anymore, we'very tried the cease fire but you guys couldn't uphold your side of the deal.

[Arslan]

.1 Indeed, I wasn't at the discussion so the dos and don'ts were clearly required. Even if we did exploit it to our advantage, it was your mistake for not clarifying things beforehand.

2.Committing crimes as FLA or not, if we cross the boarder, we cross it. That is why the treaty was created, to force you to roleplay and negotiate with us. That is WHY we want independence, in order for you not to automatically rush in and start putting bullets in everyone's heads.

1. Everything was clarified before hand. The reactions given in the treaty were for FLA people RPing in a FLA capacity. If you decided to RP someone else and then use the agreement to FLA while not even RPing as FLA, it isn't hard to see if it is right or wrong. We expected other people to exploit this though I must say I didn't see this coming or happening.

2. Again, you're making AP into a safe haven for suspects. No, we didn't give you the right to whatever you want in AP. The only thing which did happen is for those involved in FLA RP and are in AP relating to FLA reasons, they would be dealt with differently. And you ran from Corleone HQ to AP not for FLA reasons since you claim you weren't even there as FLA.

Talking about putting bullets in everyone's heads, what did you do at CM HQ? So when you do it, it is justified but when you get the same treatment it isn't?

[[Rstar]Peter]

I don't understand... When its about "treaty" you are just "criminal" and you have no affliction with FLA, when its about hiding at AP you are all FLA high ranked members.

[Arslan]

1. Why are you making out we game into LS and straight up attacked you and why are you making out it was an FLA action? We came to save our friend but you already killed him and so the only thing left to do was save his weed, it was a criminal action, not an FLA one.
2. Except for the fact that law enforcement rarely out number us these days, we are the biggest and most active group on the server, and do enlighten me as to how saving a friend and his weed are 'world police' or terrorist actions? If you think FLA is so bad start looking at the first page of our topic and work your way up, you'll see that it's law enforcement who forced us to evolve into the giant we are today, from the first brutal confrontationa at roads we blocked to the taser incident by SWAT at Flint County, it is law enforcement that made us have to grow so big, but you refuse to see that and think you're all innocent in this mess, I honestly don'the know what the solution to this is anymore, we'very tried the cease fire but you guys couldn't uphold your side of the deal.

1. So now as a result of this event, clearly you only represent yourself as FLA when you know it is within the treaty but you're still the same group of people doing the same shit. As I've said many times earlier, the point of the treaty wasn't to stop FLA but to stop the TDM crap that has been happening.

2. Yes, because you provide a free pass to every tom, dick and harry on the server to shoot at cops so who wouldn't want to be a part of that. Your screens on your topic prove that point.

The law didn't make you grow so big, it is the free DM pass that has.

[Stivi]

SAPD command/leaders and whatever have agreed they shall not enter Angel Pine. They broke the treaty, they should be the ones punished by HQ as the peace treaty suggests. I don't see the need for all this drama. Please stop bitching, I am waiting for a reply at my unban request and all I see is "peace treaty 30/05/2016".

[TiMoN]

This is the biggest flaw and contradiction in their argument. Now you don't even know if they were being FLA or "friends helping" since the actions carried out as either one were wrong.

u know this funny coming from a guy who's director is also a successful businessman and a secret crime mobster

i propose creating /fladuty so cops know when to bitch and when not to /sarcasm

[Arslan]

u know this funny coming from a guy who's director is also a successful businessman and a secret crime mobster

Even though I'm not two of those things, I take that as a compliment.

Nevertheless, I believe enough has been discussed. Leon has said he'll look into this tonight.

[taseen11]

SAPD command/leaders and whatever have agreed they shall not enter Angel Pine.

We did not break the treaty. FLA did when they came into LS guns blazing, taking out cops, then returning back to Angel Pine for their criminal immunity. The whole point of the treaty is a cease fire from both sides, which FLA clearly did not abide by.

[Ramo_Hawk]

I don't understand... When its about "treaty" you are just "criminal" and you have no affliction with FLA, when its about hiding at AP you are all FLA high ranked members.

AS I SAID OVER ONE HUNDRED GOD DAMN TIMES, PLEASE, just read before you post. It doesn't matter for which reason we were there, as FLA or NOT, it doesn't matter what our roleplay states, Angel Pine is a different boarder, if you do not respect that, then I don't know.

Talking about putting bullets in everyone's heads, what did you do at CM HQ? So when you do it, it is justified but when you get the same treatment it isn't?

The only difference is, we had a reason and we had every right to do so, we asked you to leave, you did NOT. It was you who stayed around for a shootout, not us. Our territory, our rules. If we come inside your HQ, disrespect it, the second you do is call Matthew Carter, spawn a Rhino or a Hydra and start launching misiles at every possible suspect in Los Santos and San Andreas itself.

1. Everything was clarified before hand. The reactions given in the treaty were for FLA people RPing in a FLA capacity. If you decided to RP someone else and then use the agreement to FLA while not even RPing as FLA, it isn't hard to see if it is right or wrong. We expected other people to exploit this though I must say I didn't see this coming or happening.

2. Again, you're making AP into a safe haven for suspects. No, we didn't give you the right to whatever you want in AP. The only thing which did happen is for those involved in FLA RP and are in AP relating to FLA reasons, they would be dealt with differently. And you ran from Corleone HQ to AP not for FLA reasons since you claim you weren't even there as FLA.

I'm sorry but if that's not with this is, this treaty is a bollocks as your power. I thought that the treaty was stating for the cops to back the fuck out when FLA Soldiers+ are at Angel Pine, we use it as a safe heaven or not, its up to us. Its still a different boarder to you WHICH you have no jurisdiction over. If that's not how it is, might as well remove the wannabe treaty and go somewhere else with it.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

We did not break the treaty. FLA did when they came into LS guns blazing, taking out cops, then returning back to Angel Pine for their criminal immunity. The whole point of the treaty is a cease fire from both sides, which FLA clearly did not abide by.

OMG, THEY DID THAT?

Alright, I had enough of this.

If FLA is not gonna do it peacefully, then the law should do it roughly.

[TiMoN]

If FLA is not gonna do it peacefully, then the law should do it roughly.

roughly moaning and whining yes

[Julio.]

SAPD command/leaders and whatever have agreed they shall not enter Angel Pine. They broke the treaty, they should be the ones punished by HQ as the peace treaty suggests. I don't see the need for all this drama. Please stop bitching, I am waiting for a reply at my unban request and all I see is "peace treaty 30/05/2016".

Not strictly true, law enforcement are allowed in any area to pursue non-FLA suspects, including Angel Pine. If they were acting in a "criminal" capacity and not FLA, then it's fine to pursue them.

Imo, there are very few constructive posts in this topic, and those I've seen have been mainly from Ramo and Arslan.

[[Rstar]Peter]

AS I SAID OVER ONE HUNDRED GOD DAMN TIMES, PLEASE, just read before you post. It doesn't matter for which reason we were there, as FLA or NOT, it doesn't matter what our roleplay states, Angel Pine is a different boarder, if you do not respect that, then I don't know.

It does.
Criminals who are not FLA Soldier+ and enter Angel Pine can be engaged and arrested by law enforcement without any involvement of FLA regardless of area.

[Ramo_Hawk]

It does.
Criminals who are not FLA Soldier+ and enter Angel Pine can be engaged and arrested by law enforcement without any involvement of FLA regardless of area.

Yes, except the people that were engaged upon were

FLA Soldier+.