Peace Treaty 30/05/2016

[Arslan]

Why is it in the constitution, you clarify things out? Because when it was made, not everyone was there. It was whoever have created it, which I assume was you or HQ, to do it, and you failed to do so. And if its common sense to actually write it up properly and not just assume people know what you expect from us.

Your leaders should be the ones to tell you what they expect from you. If they can't manage or control the group it isn't my problem.

[Ramo_Hawk]

Your leaders should be the ones to tell you what they expect from you. If they can't manage or control the group it isn't my problem.

It is your problem because the ones who wrote the treaty fucked up, and not my leaders. It was the treaty that was suppose to let everyone know what it was actually about and not make it blurry as fuck and just wait for leaders to tell them. If that was the case, you should of wrote nothing in the beginning.

[Arslan]

It is your problem because the ones who wrote the treaty fucked up, and not my leaders. It was the treaty that was suppose to let everyone know what it was actually about and not make it blurry as fuck and just wait for leaders to tell them. If that was the case, you should of wrote nothing in the beginning.

We didn't write the treaty. Point were discussed, everyone was told how to do what and main points were published for general public. It was the job of your representatives to keep to up to date with what you can and can't do.

[Ramo_Hawk]

We didn't write the treaty. Point were discussed, everyone was told how to do what and main points were published for general public. It was the job of your representatives to keep to up to date with what you can and can't do.

Still it wasn't written and even if we used it to our advantage, we still did not break it.

If someone breaks a so called law without knowing because the constitution is blurry, the someone is let free because its the Government's fault. Same goes for this scenario.

[Arslan]

Still it wasn't written and even if we used it to our advantage, we still did not break it.

If someone breaks a so called law without knowing because the constitution is blurry, the someone is let free because its the Government's fault. Same goes for this scenario.

Okay, so stop using it to your advantage and changing RP characters every 5 minutes and it may solve the problem.

[TiMoN]

Okay, so stop using it to your advantage and changing RP characters every 5 minutes and it may solve the problem.

Maybe if Argonath has evolved past silly restrictions it wouldn't have come to this, but apparently only those allowed to have multiple rp characters are admins.

[Ramo_Hawk]

Okay, so stop using it to your advantage and changing RP characters every 5 minutes and it may solve the problem.

Let's say we were there FLA, which to be honest I do not know as we just randomly responded from around San Andreas just to go help at CMHQ, which is an ally territory. FLA members or NOT has nothing to do with it here. As I said, the treaty wasn't clarified with everyone and we just clearly used it to our advantage BUT did not break it, you did. If you'd like to go and give this treaty a try again, I'd love to help you out and do it and make shit clear to everyone.

Any meetings that are to be set by HQ or by anyone, have me involved with the FLA Leaders. I am a neutral player and always have been, FLA or LE, neutral always.

[Arslan]

Let's say we were there FLA, which to be honest I do not know as we just randomly responded from around San Andreas just to go help at CMHQ, which is an ally territory. FLA members or NOT has nothing to do with it here. As I said, the treaty wasn't clarified with everyone and we just clearly used it to our advantage BUT did not break it, you did.

Ally to who? FLA right? The people who came shooting were FLA no? So How can you claim FLA has nothing to do with it?

[Ramo_Hawk]

Ally to who? FLA right? The people who came shooting were FLA no? So How can you claim FLA has nothing to do with it?

Ally of almost every criminal. Corleone runs the cities of Los Santos if I recall. + EVEN if we were there as FLA, as I said, nothing was broken from OUR side.

[Arslan]

Ally of almost every criminal. Corleone runs the cities of Los Santos if I recall. + EVEN if we were there as FLA, as I said, nothing was broken from OUR side.

Corleone at the moment runs nothing. Nothing to do with mafia RP as of recent though that is a separate discussion. Not even if, you were FLA and you came blasting at the wrong place just to cause a shootout and now you're claiming you weren't. If anything you've proven you run around participating in every shootout you can find and not sticking to the original FLA RP you were given this treaty for. One of those agreements was FLA not operating like an army in LS and it did and apparently not as FLA some how.

[Ramo_Hawk]

Corleone at the moment runs nothing. Nothing to do with mafia RP as of recent though that is a separate discussion. Not even if, you were FLA and you came blasting at the wrong place just to cause a shootout and now you're claiming you weren't. If anything you've proven you run around participating in every shootout you can find and not sticking to the original FLA RP you were given this treaty for. One of those agreements was FLA not operating like an army in LS and it did but apparently not as FLA some how.

We were there protecting an ally territory, that itself is enough to tell you that we did have a reason to be present there. We asked you to leave, you did not. And not just that, but you also attempted to take our drugs. Did you expect us to put our hands behind our backs or just leave and whatever or what? We acted like men, you stood your ground and did the same. The problem was not there, the problem was the automatically raiding Angel Pine like its your back yard when we were continuously asked by HQ to roleplay it as an independent state. Doesn't matter if we used the treaty to our advantage or not, we still didn't break it.

[Arslan]

We were there protecting an ally territory, that itself is enough to tell you that we did have a reason to be present there. We asked you to leave, you did not. And not just that, but you also attempted to take our drugs. Did you expect us to put our hands behind our backs or just leave and whatever or what? We acted like men, you stood your ground and did the same. The problem was not there, the problem was the automatically raiding Angel Pine like its your back yard when we were continuously asked by HQ to roleplay it as an independent state. Doesn't matter if we used the treaty to our advantage or not, we still didn't break it.

Protect an ally territory? What are you on about man? Are you attempting to liberate CMHQ as well or something? It was a crime scene at which police were investigating a marijuana production process. It wasn't rebels attempting to over through the government and claim CMHQ as their own. Firstly, you weren't even there in the first place. There was one suspect at the scene who was dealt with and you all came guns blasting.

I expected you not to come in and start shooting cops after shouting "leave" three times. You didn't act like men, you acted like DMers but use FLA to say you're rebelling so it's justified but in this case even that wasn't the case so I see no reason for what you did. One minute you claim it was independent state RP and next you say it was not FLA but aiding ally.

CMHQ isn't an FLA occupied territory which you were attempting to protect.

[Ramo_Hawk]

Protect an ally territory? What are you on about man? Are you attempting to liberate CMHQ as well or something? It was a crime scene at which police were investigating a marijuana production process. It wasn't rebels attempting to over through the government and claim CMHQ as their own. Firstly, you weren't even there in the first place. There was one suspect at the scene who was dealt with and you all came guns blasting.

I expected you not to come in and start shooting cops after shouting "leave" three times. You didn't act like men, you acted like DMers but use FLA to say you're rebelling so it's justified but in this case even that wasn't the case so I see no reason for what you did. One minute you claim it was independent state RP and next you say it was not FLA but aiding ally.

First of all, yes I was present there, I was on the front lines, thanks for noticing me!  And yes it is an ally territory because Corleone and FLA are like peanut butter and jelly, they go together. They help us, we help them. Their territory was being disturbed, we responded. We warned you to leave, you did not and you tried to continue steal our drugs. Did you expect us to watch you as you start taking what funds us away from us?

[Arslan]

First of all, yes I was present there, I was on the front lines, thanks for noticing me!  And yes it is an ally territory because Corleone and FLA are like peanut butter and jelly, they go together. They help us, we help them. Their territory was being disturbed, we responded. We warned you to leave, you did not and you tried to continue steal our drugs. Did you expect us to watch you as you start taking what funds us away from us?

Okay so you did come as FLA therefore you breached the treaty. Problem solved.

And stop asking me what I expected from you. I've already told you. You job is to evade police not to confront them as terminators.

[Ramo_Hawk]

Okay so you did come as FLA therefore you breached the treaty. Problem solved.

And stop asking me what I expected from you. I've already told you. You job is to evade police not to confront them as terminators.

"Not confront them as terminators" is what exactly what you did when you were outnumbered. Also, in no where was it stated that we had no rights to leave Angel Pine and go roleplay elsewhere, so no, we did not breach shit.