"Members of a criminal group can't go on police duty."

[taseen11]

. How are you seeing the seperation? What about confidential information shared on the ARPD/FBI forum (as law enforcement character)?

If the person trusted with such privileges is able to separate information between their two accounts, there shouldn't be an issue. Some admins in SAPD already do this.

[Julio.]

. How are you seeing the seperation? What about confidential information shared on the ARPD/FBI forum (as law enforcement character)?

Yeah agreed, a true multi-character system like that would be hard to administrate and would require a lot of rules. I'd personally like to see a bit more freedom like previously.

The main problem is the "play-to-win" attitude, which has been brought up countless times before. Then when one side "wins," it causes arguments.

[Leon.]

Members of criminal groups should be banned from any job, including civilian ones, and not be allowed to own businesses.
Then their only income would be from crime, and those who can not make money as criminal should leave the groups and become civilian or law enforcement. 

The most successful criminals are those who are able to avoid the eye of the law while running a legal front to launder their illicit funds.

[Cofiliano]

Gvardia has this rule since march 2009.


When Gvardia was open that is.

[Stivi]

The most successful criminals are those who are able to avoid the eye of the law while running a legal front to launder their illicit funds.

Amen.

[McGarrett]

Members of criminal groups should be banned from any job, including civilian ones, and not be allowed to own businesses.
Then their only income would be from crime, and those who can not make money as criminal should leave the groups and become civilian or law enforcement. 

You must be ridiculous to think that criminals are not allowed to get a proper job in real life. I have worked with many criminals. I love how the owners always exaggerate like we're a bunch of idiots. It is very common, no? People who are not abiding the law, should not be allowed to be employed by a law abiding organization/faction. It is ridiculous. They can still become cab drivers, pizza hut workers, CEOs of a Corporation. My previous boss had a huge criminal record and he was the CEO of a Corporation.

Not only that, Lionel Messi was just charged with tax evasion and sentenced to suspended prison sentence. Does that mean that he should be fired from Barcelona FC and start working as a criminal? Ridiculous logic. I am disappointed.

[Spicy Luciano]

This means we cant be corrupt anymore?

[Mark]

This means that trolling mafiosos won't go on duty anymore but also that whoever wants to have relations with criminal groups and play as cop on freetime won't be able to. I suggest to make some changes, similiarly to drug market access, in order to be blocked from joining duty your rank in the criminal group has to be above 1 or 10 (most of groups got "outsiders" rank at level 1, so it shouldn't be an issue).

[Vaeldious]

This means that trolling mafiosos won't go on duty anymore but also that whoever wants to have relations with criminal groups and play as cop on freetime won't be able to. I suggest to make some changes, similiarly to drug market access, in order to be blocked from joining duty your rank in the criminal group has to be above 1 or 10 (most of groups got "outsiders" rank at level 1, so it shouldn't be an issue).

Drug market access already has this limit of ranks, you must be lv70+ to access it. Normally this level is reserved for the 3-5 highest ranking members of a group.

Interesting concept though, blocking police duty based on criminal rank.

[Mark]

Drug market access already has this limit of ranks, you must be lv70+ to access it. Normally this level is reserved for the 3-5 highest ranking members of a group.

I know..i proposed to let those with lvl1 in a group to access duty. However thinking over it again, some people might just ask to set their lvl to 1 even if they're high ranks, that's pretty lame.
It should be up to groups like mafias or gangs to "ban" those who join duty and not a script. Blocking even the outsiders who want to play on duty it's not going to work well.
Another idea would be adding as requirement for criminals to create a new character.

[Vaeldious]

As a leader of a group, I can confirm this. I get begged all the time to invite players and rank them to LV 70 just for drug market access. My response is always the same, I had to work my ass off getting my group up and running just to get /groups, I'm not going to just GIVE that away.

And it doesn't mean cops cannot be corrupt, it just means they have to be sneakier about it. I still am able to supply heavy artillery to both sides, LEOs and Criminals. It means cops are forced to RP more to get that kind of access to notoriety level weaponry.

Just the same, I get the limitation of members of a criminal group cannot go on duty. As Cofi said, Gvardia has had that rule, Nomads have that rule (with exceptions on case-by-case basis), and I'm sure other groups do too. It does draw a more clear line and divide players to one side or another, of a Cops vs. Criminals state of Argonath. I firmly believe the only resolution is an expansion of the Civilian class, and not just buffing the options of jobs available, but in my suggestion of /reputation (the civilian equivalent of /notoriety) and of course, simply bring back trucking and develop mining further.

[TiMoN]

This means that trolling mafiosos won't go on duty anymore but also that whoever wants to have relations with criminal groups and play as cop on freetime won't be able to. I suggest to make some changes, similiarly to drug market access, in order to be blocked from joining duty your rank in the criminal group has to be above 1 or 10 (most of groups got "outsiders" rank at level 1, so it shouldn't be an issue).

What makes you think implementing more restrictions is the solution?

[Mark]

What makes you think implementing more restrictions is the solution?

I never said its the solution, that was just an idea if they really have intention to keep such block.

[Link9rly]

This means that trolling mafiosos won't go on duty

This isn't a good thing and also why /groups shouldn't be public. You shouldn't be able to know whether somebody is a criminal unless they have a rap sheet attached to them or you've seen them actually committing a crime.

[Vaeldious]

This isn't a good thing and also why /groups shouldn't be public. You shouldn't be able to know whether somebody is a criminal unless they have a rap sheet attached to them or you've seen them actually committing a crime.

>> /grouphiderank

/groups is no longer public bro. Perhaps then the block should be for criminals without a hidden rank in a group?