Unite.

[Cofiliano]

You guys need to understand not everything lasts forever. How many members of the ''HQ'' and developers have we lost so far? I've lost count. Do you think Mikro can handle it all alone already? It's one of the reasons why you find the server with six players online already.
If all the people who kept this alive and running quit, what more do you expect from the community?

This isn't the first time something like this happened, and Argonath became a better server after it. This time it didn't, which means a change is needed.

And sometimes its better to have one person then many. Everyones crying for Teddy nowdays, even tho he was mostly alone when it comes to the 'hard part' of the job.


I wont state the reasons why it went that way, since I already did in this topic:(http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117467.15).


Points of improvement? New people.

[wweman14]

It's a simple cause and effect situation.


HQ listens to players and gives them what they ask for? They get more players and activity on the server.


HQ ignores and goes opposite of what the players want? Less players and less activity.


Let's remember that the people are the ones who make the server. Start acting like it, and the rest will fall suit.

[Ben.]

It's a simple cause and effect situation.


HQ listens to players and gives them what they ask for? They get more players and activity on the server.


HQ ignores and goes opposite of what the players want? Less players and less activity.


Let's remember that the people are the ones who make the server. Start acting like it, and the rest will fall suit.

It's good to listen to the people, but there's some things that players don't see the wider view on. For example, players asked for tazers and RPGs...the first HQ's stance on this was a big no.
It was given to players by another generation of HQ, and now we have...err..salt. Yes, if we hadnt had those items a few people would be a bit sad, but now we have a situation where those two items cause a lot of friction.

Totally agreed that the players will make or break the server, though. We just need to get IG and blow up Cofi with an RPG have some fun!

[wweman14]

Well, obviously, the players who know what Argonath is and what makes it work will only suggest things that are infact sensible. There is no need to add unnecessary things such as RPGs and tasers.

[Stivi]

Remove Mikro.

I agree that Mikro shouldn't be part of HQ, but he's lead developer so I guess he was a fit pick. But he should remain part of the developing team, if not lead it. I too think he made a couple of quick decisions but they aren't things that can't be reverted back to how they were.

[Hevar.]

Rusty here forgot my other accounts password,  thought I'd  drop a message anyhow

HAHAHA how fuck did you forgot your password? ever heard about Chrome auto save?

[DinoKid23]

for tenth anniversary, server leadership should give everyone one last benefit of the doubt and unban everyone

instant profit in player count so everyone plays with their friends and having the fun!!!11!1

[Petarda]

There's no way to get new players, the only way is to get old one back, SAMP is dead, not server, SAMP itself is dead and nobody except [dM]xgUnz227 and 12y/o pakis plays it.

[McGarrett]

[zipp3r]

There's no way to get new players, the only way is to get old one back, SAMP is dead, not server, SAMP itself is dead and nobody except [dM]xgUnz227 and 12y/o pakis plays it.

samp is not that dead as many of you are thinking so. you can check the player count of the whole SAMP just google

[Chase]

All things have an end. Sadly, Argonath is no exception.

I would not be surprised if Gandalf pulls the plug this coming Thursday to mark the 10th anniversary and the last.

But I'd also not be surprised if he continues his current path of his "hands off" approach and let the community slowly crawl until it's dead with no activity. That is what happened to the community he and Aragorn was a part of before Argonath was born. I will not mention them by name but some old timers will know that certain MTA:VC server I'm talking about. Their website and forum is still up. I don't know about their servers, but their forum is a ghost town. Barely any posts there from this year.

Expect the same outcome in 2-3 years from now if the plug is not pulled earlier.

[Cofiliano]

Knowing Gandalf, I doubt he would pull a plug not this thursday, yet until its a ghost town.

Its sad that Argonath was on a good path last couple of months/year, with large improvements when it coems to scripts, roleplay standards, and even the player count.

But one Teddy isn't enough, yet things needs to get more serious.  You need a team of people who will actually dedicate themselves enough, yet those people needs to be experienced in life, in managing human resources, they need to be practical and reasonable, and with a strict plan and policy, based on the wishes of the players, in which direction Argonath should go.

And they should stick to that plan. The question is do we have those kind of people?

[Chase]

The question is do we have those kind of people?

Unfortunately I don't think so. Most of the people skilled enough to do things like scripting and database design have moved on / and or grown older, got a job and a busy life.

Some of you may recall the scripting team reform last year. The last scripting team chose not to be as productive as they should so a new team was formed and replaced them. The current team has too much work with very low manpower I think.

Unfortunately this time I think Argonath is out of backups/replacements.

[TheRock]

Since I haven't been on SA:MP the last months, and reasons are a bit complicated I am kinda sad to see this heading down.

Why I no longer play? More responsibilities in real life, House has bills and somebody gotta pay for them.. less time for gaming & less movitaved for Argonath SA:MP due mainly to bad administration attitude the least times I logged..
I remember a server whereas I would join and have fun, be able to talk without fearing any /banana's just because some admin dislike me or the topic I speak for.. (Yes, Bruce this is going for you in particular, I don't like playing hide'n'seek.)
Genuine HQ members who would discuss the issue prior to issuing any warning or actually punishing a player.. The drill was always the same, make 'some' friends.. Join a Clique, get invited to A-Team, become a Manager and stop spending time on SA:MP.. or become a ghost.. and play other games with the rest of the A-team&Managers.. At least it was obvious who took advantage of friendships for a status on SA:MP rofl. Harsh bans for really no reason.. There was a thread few months ago disallowing us to mention another community's name, whilst A-Team tried to adapt to that community's harsh punishing methods with 'permanent' bans though (Unlike the previous years that 3-10>permanent bans>unbanned soon)..
Literally I see no point there.. It's a damn game.. We had good people who got fed up with being banned.. Some were valid, some were not.. Let's not forget many of the current members of the HQ got long history in the unban forums 
My point is as if; If the leadership or Captain (or you name it..) of the Ship doesn't give a shit about it's crew, crew will always try to take over or abandon the ship.

Scripts are perfect, Every RS version had it's ups and downs. I truly respect every single scripter, Without them we would not be here to this day. Although I still believe it's wrong for few people to work on so many projects or lead other groups meanwhile.

Maybe what I just typed is non-sense to some, to some others may not.. However I felt the need for it.

[TrotlDebilni]

The sad truth of the server dying.. Without naming any names some old old veteran came back last week, joined teamspeak and we were driving around and he kept saying how fucking cool the scripts are, not even half of the mapping, he freaked out that you can whisper directly to a person. Why the hell wasn't this a thing four years ago? Surely couldn't have been too hard.

Argonath got a Teddy.. well argonath had a Teddy, and someone willing to waste so much of their life working for this community with so much talent is hard to find. Once he left it really did put the last nail in the coffin. Now from people being banned for two months because they jumped onto a car in a non roleplay manner to veterans getting banned for shooting a gun everyone is slowly leaving forced or willing.

And as @Petarda said, the only new players we can get are middle Eastern who can't run any other game or hackers who are hacking a 13 year old game. Everyone settled down at their community or has left.

Not only that but we have a forum where the saying "if you give 1000 monkeys 1000 typewriters and an infinite amount of time they will produce shakespeares works." is trying to be disproven it's no wonder people don't find this community welcoming.

Now we are stuck at 4/200 players on a Saturday.