Policy

[Julio.]

Some of the bans in place which stated "Disregard of quality RP" were more-so DM, or script abuse. This ban reason seemed to have become popular with some admins, as if they were trying to prove a point.

What would be an appropriate level of punishment for someone who used non roleplay means (such as PM, group message or other platforms like skype) to call their friends for help after the said person has had their roleplay communication equipments seized?

Assuming there was a specific rule in place, written down and enforced... I would personally say a warning or kick at most based on a first offence to be quite honest.

[jovanca]

Script abuse is a tule that has always been in place and can still be used for punishment. Quality of roleplay is subjective and there for can not be a reason for punishment.

That doesn't change the fact that there were rules added regarding the quallity of roleplay. And for roleplay quallity being subjective, this might be true but that's exaftly why there are rules and guidlines to play by. To avoid chaos of whole server having their own vision of what (quallity) roleplay is and ignoring everything else.

[Gandalf]

What would be an appropriate level of punishment for someone who used non roleplay means (such as PM, group message or other platforms like skype) to call their friends for help after the said person has had their roleplay communication equipments seized?

Being forced to sit out a 3 hour kidnapping to be killed by a freecop.

[CharlieKasper]

Being forced to sit out a 3 hour kidnapping to be killed by a freecop.

But the kidnap wouldn't last 3 hours since obviously the kidnapped persons' friends will log in and immediately start a shootout.

[Jubin]

Those few times I have logged into the server during, lets say past year i haven't actually felt welcomed to roleplay.  Also the fact that I know that I have been actually rulebreaking by just not doing anything, beside talking in public chat and with friends and strangers alike, because apparently roleplay is mandatory!
Setting my rulebreaking aside, why won't I roleplay? There are two main reasons. First is lack of diversity in roleplays that people do approach me. As I still play with female skin the roleplays I get is people driving to me, calling me sugartits and asking "how much?" and if I dissapoint them, they want to kidnap me. Sick and tired of it.
Second reason I don't do that much roleplay these days is if those rare individuals who do not actually want to kidnap me approach me, they actually don't want to roleplay but rather they want me to play out their script, which they will tell me in OOC. My input there is zero. Sorry man but it takes two to tango and I want to have a say in what happens to my character.
Also these days I don't actually see any actual  shooting or action between players, mostly because it seems that due to so many walls of rules in order to be able to shoot someone without admin interference I would have to go to city hall with the person who I want to shoot so that we could sign a paper to set the exact location, how many bullets will be used and what will happen, when one of us dies.

[Gandalf]

But the kidnap wouldn't last 3 hours since obviously the kidnapped persons' friends will log in and immediately start a shootout.

That is why the punishment is the scenario without friends logging in.....

Those few times I have logged into the server during, lets say past year i haven't actually felt welcomed to roleplay.  Also the fact that I know that I have been actually rulebreaking by just not doing anything, beside talking in public chat and with friends and strangers alike, because apparently roleplay is mandatory!
Setting my rulebreaking aside, why won't I roleplay? There are two main reasons. First is lack of diversity in roleplays that people do approach me. As I still play with female skin the roleplays I get is people driving to me, calling me sugartits and asking "how much?" and if I dissapoint them, they want to kidnap me. Sick and tired of it.
Second reason I don't do that much roleplay these days is if those rare individuals who do not actually want to kidnap me approach me, they actually don't want to roleplay but rather they want me to play out their script, which they will tell me in OOC. My input there is zero. Sorry man but it takes two to tango and I want to have a say in what happens to my character.
Also these days I don't actually see any actual  shooting or action between players, mostly because it seems that due to so many walls of rules in order to be able to shoot someone without admin interference I would have to go to city hall with the person who I want to shoot so that we could sign a paper to set the exact location, how many bullets will be used and what will happen, when one of us dies.

Hmm... is there any chance that that necklace it still laying somewhere in Vice City?

[Link9rly]

It is still pretty unclear what people want, and that makes it impossible to make it a rule.

I fail to see how this isn't clear.

And then there is the statement that people want rules but not enforcement. That is in itself laughable.

Nobody said that. The only person who said anything about enforcing was Julio and he clearly said

Enforce the rules

Metagaming which people are against seems to be using the scripts and other out-of-rp information to gain an advantage in RP.
Unfortunately that can never be enforced. Any complaint would take too much time to search in logs, and to halt roleplay to handle such complaints would hurt it more as to just play around it.

I don't think it takes a log check to find out how a group of mafiosos just happened to find their kin tied up at Aldea Malvada by an opposing group. There will be players that will always play close to the boundaries but the metagaming we want gone is clear as day.

Everything we do should be focused on roleplay, and mixing it with other things makes it more interesting.
If your group has a meeting you can go to Skype or TS, but you might as well get together in game and hold it RP style. Sure not everything spoken about will be RP, but it will give a much better vibe as doing the metagaming through TeamSpeak so that admins can not find it in chatlogs.

Groups tend to do meetings like this in the game through roleplay, even if they are on TeamSpeak. A lot of groups tend to post these roleplays in their group topic too. Nobody metagames. The only thing that happens if people making fun of their mistakes in writing as friendly banter. Metagaming doesn't occur.

Some of the bans in place which stated "Disregard of quality RP" were more-so DM, or script abuse. This ban reason seemed to have become popular with some admins, as if they were trying to prove a point.

They were trying to set precedents, which is what somebody earlier wanted.

I have no idea how it is now, in the past other servers had very different policies that were clearly inequal.

I've already stated earlier that metagaming isn't just a problem in just the SAMP community. Not every server has the rule up-front because the player base is decent enough to not cheat through metagaming. That's what metagaming is: cheating. If players were constantly doing it, I would make a clear rule so people would stop their bullshit. The more populated servers have this rule because I can assure that somebody went over their character's ability through metagaming and/or powergaming.

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Name some names so we can start dealing with these undesirables. I'm up for kidnapping RP and whatnot but that shit just sounds awful.

Banned for using /area... Oh how things have evolved over the 10 years o.O

In the olden days, things would often result in a shootout and people didn't care. We're trying to move past that.

[jannik852]

I believe metagaming has always been forbidden, only cops has been allowed it when I was playing. I guess thing's changed since then.

[Leon.]

the first admin who bans for that wil have to write an unban request.

There have been members banned or otherwise punished for metagaming-related incidents. For example Sam, Cofiliano, and Kenji were banned for using /gm to locate Kenji during a kidnap by Mikro ("Disregard for quality RP"), however they are now unbanned and the banning admin has stepped down. I cannot think of other specific incidents, but I am aware that some admins get involved if you do not send an SMS or call someone when requesting backup. This is one of those "imaginary rules" I spoke of in my previous post.

[FARQ3X]

There have been members banned or otherwise punished for metagaming-related incidents. For example Sam, Cofiliano, and Kenji were banned for using /gm to locate Kenji during a kidnap by Mikro ("Disregard for quality RP"), however they are now unbanned and the banning admin has stepped down. I cannot think of other specific incidents, but I am aware that some admins get involved if you do not send an SMS or call someone when requesting backup. This is one of those "imaginary rules" I spoke of in my previous post.

There is far more than just this. This happened for a long time.

[Arslan]

There have been members banned or otherwise punished for metagaming-related incidents. For example Sam, Cofiliano, and Kenji were banned for using /gm to locate Kenji during a kidnap by Mikro ("Disregard for quality RP"), however they are now unbanned and the banning admin has stepped down. I cannot think of other specific incidents, but I am aware that some admins get involved if you do not send an SMS or call someone when requesting backup. This is one of those "imaginary rules" I spoke of in my previous post.

That precedent was set by the previous HQ team and the so called savior of Argonath Teddy not Mikro. http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=115195.0

So stop shitting and putting bullshit like this all on him since he isn't the one responsible for it.

You don't like the changes they made for what they thought would be better for RP? Go debate them about it but stop putting all the blame on a guy who took a position for a month and by some miracle changed the whole system.

[Teddy]

That precedent was set by the previous HQ team and the so called savior of Argonath Teddy not Mikro. http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=115195.0

So stop shitting and putting bullshit like this all on him since he isn't the one responsible for it.

Yes, yes I did implement a rule which promotes more roleplay than it does discourage it. I accept responsibility for trying to help. I'm no savior either so idk where that comes from. There's no person that can save Argonath from itself. I've said it over and over, the players need to save it.

[Arslan]

Yes, yes I did implement a rule which promotes more roleplay than it does discourage it. I accept responsibility for trying to help. I'm no savior either so idk where that comes from. There's no person that can save Argonath from itself. I've said it over and over, the players need to save it.

Yeah, you and the rest of the team. I'm tired of reading Mikro did this or that when he didn't do anything or made any major change to any policy. What he did do was keep scripting for ungrateful dickheads so they could enjoy the game and try to be as reasonable as possible but clearly that doesn't work on Argonath.

[Pedro.]

why u so mad fbi

[Devin]

Some things just can't be changed.

why u so mad fbi

Just stop already. Grow up.