Policy

[Pedro.]

im not mad

* BeDifrent wears a mask

[Link9rly]

You literally come into this thread gung-ho for no reason and spout

Go debate them about it but stop putting all the blame on a guy who took a position for a month and by some miracle changed the whole system.

for no reason. Everybody was being civil until you came in. Stop derailing this topic. We're actually having a pretty decent discussion here.

[Vladislav]

Let's not derail the topic any more Pedro, i expected nothing less than this kind of attitude from these folks since their friend Matthew got banned again.

[Arslan]

You literally come into this thread gung-ho for no reason and spoutedfor no reason. Everybody was being civil until you came in. Stop derailing this topic. We're actually having a pretty decent discussion here.

I am actually on the topic and giving my opinion of the exact policy which was used to ban those who made this topic in attempt to change it. Just making sure you moan at the right people. 

[Link9rly]

Yet you claim that people are

shitting and putting bullshit like this all on him

when it was just a question about a grey area? Chill the fuck out and come back when you're ready to discuss like a civil person.

[Leon.]

Yeah well you correctly shouldn't because he didn't make the rule he only enforces them which were set prior to his appointment. Which is his job as an administrator.

Again, I never said he made the rule, only that he enforced a rule that isn't listed where everyone can easily see it. Learn to read. I don't have a problem with you, I don't know why you are giving me a bad attitude for simply stating facts that can be proven.

Thank you for linking to that topic where the precedent was created. It further proves my point that rules have been created and enforced without the official rule list being updated.

Pedro stop acting like an idiot on the forums.

[Arslan]

Again, I never said he made the rule, only that he enforced a rule that isn't listed where everyone can easily see it. Learn to read. I don't have a problem with you, I don't know why you are giving me a bad attitude for simply stating facts that can be proven.

Thank you for linking to that topic where the precedent was created. It further proves my point that rules have been created and enforced without the official rule list being updated.

Pedro stop acting like an idiot on the forums.

The only thing I correctly accuse Mikro of doing was being the banning administrator regarding a rule that is not officially listed.

No, you didn't say he created it but you're putting it on him for enforcing a rule which he has nothing to do with and was created months before he even became manager. You shouldn't be accusing a person for doing his job but accusing those who made the rule which is my point and what you're failing to understand. It is the incompetence of those who made the rule and did not put it into the official topics, not his.

[Astaroth]

Firstly I want to point out that Gandalf did not join us on the 10th Anniversary.

As for the topic,

It would be cool if we at least tried it out, change is always welcome, maybe we'll go to better, maybe not.
Though, not many here seem to know what Powergaming and Metagaming actually is.


Just an idea to possibly take into consideration:

I recommend a thread to be created of "character development".

For example, each player creates their own topic under their IG Name. (Ex: Astaroth)
Inside the topic, a short background story and only for that player to have access to posting on the topic itself.

Rules:
A player must post screenshots at least 3 times a week from RP encounters & all topics are reviewed & judged weekly by an experienced admin/rper & rewarded with a car or some shit to whoever has the best roleplay situation.

I think it would encourage people to at least try, and kinda force them to be creative 

[Leon.]

No, you didn't say he created it but you're putting it on him for enforcing a rule which he has nothing to do with and was created months before he even became manager. You shouldn't be accusing a person for doing his job but accusing those who made the rule which is my point and what you're failing to understand. It is the incompetence of those who made the rule and did not put it into the official topics, not his.

Okay, I understand what you're getting at. However, understand that I only listed Mikro's bans as examples, not simply to shit on Mikro.

I'm down.

Leon_Gvardia
Point of improvement: The Rules
-If it's not in the official rules, admins cannot ban for it. There are too many broad grey area rules based on comments made by Teddy in topics from 10 pages back, or things said by Gandalf in the "Ask Developers Topic." Write it down somewhere we can all see it.
-If a new rule or interpretation of a rule has been created somewhere on the forums or otherwise, it needs to be clearly broadcasted for everyone to see. Players should not be expected to read every page of every topic in the SA:MP boards looking for "common sense."

There is one small thing that needs to be added, since it is enforced.

"In the spirit of roleplay, if calling for backup in a combat, kidnap, or robbery situation, it must be done in a roleplay manner. This includes:
-Calling or sending an SMS.
-Using a CBRadio.

This excludes:
-Using /p
-Using /pm
-Using /gm

If you are a victim and your methods of communication have been confiscated, you may not call for backup.
If you die in the situation, you may not call for backup after the fact to gain revenge."

If this is not going to be added to the rule list, and then added as a "Daily Message" for like two weeks in-game, then don't enforce it.

^These posts are directed at those who have created rules and failed to place them in the official rules. Please fix this issue as soon as possible.

[Cofiliano]

I am actually on the topic and giving my opinion of the exact policy which was used to ban those who made this topic in attempt to change it. Just making sure you moan at the right people. 

So I don't get it, you like the current gray area policy because it gets people you don't like banned, or you don't like it because it gets your friend banned as well?

I saw Matthew voted yes, I saw you wrote like 5-6 replies, some with lame provoking but alright be that way if you wish,  yet you still haven't scored a point, in actually answering the question what's your opinion on the god damn subject?


And like Link pointed out, lets not derail this topic, and lets talk about the subject, not about who did what among the HQ last 6-8 months.



I actually like Astaroth idea to give it a try for like 2-3 weeks, and then make a poll and see people's reaction on it.

[Ben.]

No way I'm having a 3rd party review my roleplay, but you fellas enjoy 

[Stivi]

Firstly I want to point out that Gandalf did not join us on the 10th Anniversary.

As for the topic,

It would be cool if we at least tried it out, change is always welcome, maybe we'll go to better, maybe not.
Though, not many here seem to know what Powergaming and Metagaming actually is.


Just an idea to possibly take into consideration:

I recommend a thread to be created of "character development".

For example, each player creates their own topic under their IG Name. (Ex: Astaroth)
Inside the topic, a short background story and only for that player to have access to posting on the topic itself.

Rules:
A player must post screenshots at least 3 times a week from RP encounters & all topics are reviewed & judged weekly by an experienced admin/rper & rewarded with a car or some shit to whoever has the best roleplay situation.

I think it would encourage people to at least try, and kinda force them to be creative 

So, this: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?board=476.0 but with payment? I was going to say a blunt no, but I'm going to try and be constructive

I don't think your idea would work, as much as I would like to see people develop their characters, because then it will turn into an event. I can already see the rules of it:

To be eligible to win this free Turismo, you must:
- Post screenshots of your roleplay scenarios at least three times a week.
- Do not bump your topic, every topic will be checked by the judges.
- Try to be as creative as possible.
- Do not call people out on their RP, everyone has their own RP methods!
- Last but not least, have fun!

We already have the topic, if we add a reward at the end, oh boy. Most people will just post there, everytime they make three /me's and hope to win. But by the time the event ends, no one will look at the board anymore. And that will totally kill it's purpose. And I don't think a lot of people have the time to post screens/logs of their roleplays three times a week. We should instead focus on keeping players IN GAME.

[Julio.]

Firstly I want to point out that Gandalf did not join us on the 10th Anniversary.

It's illogical to say that every community and venture is always run by its original owner. Provided the delegated leadership team feel as strongly about the community as the owners do, it's fine.
Also, he has a family... think of what the time was anyway. The date we advertise is the 28th, that doesn't mean players have to login at midnight in order to celebrate, in fact this is the first time in my 7 years here that I've even done so!

But on topic, I would prefer a rule not to be implemented about this personally, but even if implemented I suspect it is only required for the minority anyway. That being said, if metagaming was specifically forbidden, a couple of groups (including the FBI) would have to have a slight shift in policy 

[Link9rly]

But on topic, I would prefer a rule not to be implemented about this personally, but even if implemented I suspect it is only required for the minority anyway.

Either way, a rule regarding it would help clear any misunderstanding. It would help clear out those infamous grey areas that cause conflict. It seems majority are for the removal of it considering the poll.

That being said, if metagaming was specifically forbidden, a couple of groups (including the FBI) would have to have a slight shift in policy 

That wouldn't be bad thing, especially since it'd be changing for the better.

[Stivi]

And please, by all means don't only count on metagaming. It's just a rule that I think will cover some grey areas. We still have a lot of unwritten rules.