Policy

[Cofiliano]

I've done no such thing.

You did, and you're still doing it, not sure is it because I'm the author of the topic, or because you simply don't like the subject, doesn't matter really, that's just you.

In both cases, you're the only one who's trying to derail the topic since page one, even tho you said its a pointless subject in the first reply.

As you can see, most people were constructive in sharing their opinions and idea about the subject, people who have completely different opinions, and the topic didn't went to shit like you predicted  after 10 pages.

I hope you'll start posting in a mature and constructive way, or if you're still sure its pointless, just skip the topic since everything else is just rude.

I don't see how is this a problem, just punish the player with a warning or someshit, if it incites a huge DM fest or something, a greater punishment can be handed down. I dont see why the nay sayers are making a big deal.

take screens of the rulebreak and report them in a specific board on the forum, admins can review with a clear mind and get logs if they please

of course the first month you can cut everybody some slack but everybody should get the concept after that

worth trying

I agree with both of you, reporting and punishment wont be a problem in this matter, and I also agree with Bundy that first  month or two, people shouldn't be hardly punished for it, until they get used to it.

[Salmonella]

You did, and you're still doing it, not sure is it because I'm the author of the topic, or because you simply don't like the subject, doesn't matter really, that's just you.

In both cases, you're the only one who's trying to derail the topic since page one, even tho you said its a pointless subject in the first reply.

As you can see, most people were constructive in sharing their opinions and idea about the subject, people who have completely different opinions, and the topic didn't went to shit like you predicted  after 10 pages.

I hope you'll start posting in a mature and constructive way, or if you're still sure its pointless, just skip the topic since everything else is just rude.

I posted something on page 1 about while this topic won't reap any results and how we'll see on page 10 why. Page 7 I had a little concurrence with Teddy about it and just now I pointed out how Mario is one of the few that gets what's really relevant in this discussion.

Derailing? I don't think so. I think you should look at some of your members' ('bediffrent') contributions here if you want to see what derailing is.

This has nothing to do with personal hiatus stuff. I'm not part of the grudge-holding club.

[jovanca]

There's a lesson to be learned in that for everyone who feels addressed. Upto them to learn it or keep playing on the forums instead of ingame.

There is no lesson to be learned, you just have nothing smart to say but for some reason feel the urge to derail topic with your nonsense. I invite you to stop now.

[Salmonella]

Just because you don't like someone's input doesn't make it derailing.

[MrTony]

why do we need to change Argonath's policy? I feel like its uniqueness comes from that very "gray zone", that thin line of roleplaying and "OOC(using that term loosely)fucking around"

[Link9rly]

Let's say you are RPing with some dude and the dude goes "omg admin!!! such meta-game very power-game!". Do you have the patience to sit back now and wait while an admin checks the logs? And if it takes 15 minutes? And if the admin makes a mistake and punishes you? Do you still want "no meta-gaming" and "no power-gaming"?

Yes, I do. If these sets of rules get me banned because of a misunderstanding with an admin about it, I'm fine since I will have evidence to back me up in the unban request. It's the same thing with every other misunderstanding. Not only that but who just randomly claims somebody is metagaming without reason?

"No meta-gaming" and "no power-gaming" aren't going to happen. Which member of HQ wants to deal with the consequences of implementing this? Nobody. You have leaders running away from leadership like cats from vacuum cleaners. And this would, what, improve things?

Going against the community's wishes when it knows what it wants is what results in the server population dying. Lots of us at this point have stated that we're not looking for a strict implementation of it and that writing it down in the rules doesn't hurt but help players.

"No metagaming in order to give yourself an unfair advantage in an RP situation"

You say "we want this rule," but your HQ understandably gets PTSD just from thinking about the slightest possibility of having to deal with "admin, help, this dude meta-gamed." Who would make the rules and explain them? Who would train admins? Who would deal with the reports and how?

I'm not sure why but this fear mongering argument keeps coming up, especially since we've already stated it won't change much. The only people I can see going around claiming PG/MG at everything for the sake of being assholes are people who have a kneejerk reaction to this being implemented. Even then, I don't see the point of acting in such a way at a rule that's meant to help players.

SA-MP HQ does not even have the resources to pull this off. Even if Gandalf said "fuck meta-gaming, get these rules working asap :P", before long you'd be back here writing topics about this problem and that problem, etc.; not to mention that Argonath is a beautiful flower and would probably implement these rules in a way that has nothing in common with what you desire.

But it does, as we've seen. The times that MG/PG get brought up under the guise of shitty RP or bad RP is more than once by now. Here's an example. The problem is that "Shitty RP" is such a subjective term. Why not name it something that's not subjective such as MG/PG? It makes more sense. As for Argonath not implementing it for the sake of being unique? I've already stated that it doesn't make sense as implementing it the way that Julio says not only won't change much but would also help clear up any confused players playing in the grey areas.

[Que]

This shouldn't even be a discussion anymore. The massive "yes"-advantage speaks its own language.
And it shouldn't even be a discussion because it's utter bullshit to use information you got through other interactions than respected roleplay methods.

A good roleplayer knows that. Basic ground rule.

The thing with Argonath is that people got so much ideas and are willing to create alternative ways by creating topics, roleplays and groups, but it takes a fucking stone age to make these basic changes that benefits the purpose of the server itself.

[Ben.]

I'd like to remind you that making changes is a lot different to not making changes.
It's not always as simple as "majority rules" - You forget that people already belong to a community, and people joined (and stayed) on that basis.

Not making a change may make some people bored (and drift away) but making a change will damage the existing community.

[Que]

I'd like to remind you that making changes is a lot different to not making changes.
It's not always as simple as "majority rules" - You forget that people already belong to a community, and people joined (and stayed) on that basis.

Not making a change may make some people bored (and drift away) but making a change will damage the existing community.

You seem to be a classic do not touch anything-type of guy that continuously focus on remaining this unique super platform with its super-fantastic-ultra-magical vision that is so precious that you need to walk through water to keep. So please speak up loud how Argonath will get back its players and shine. Make a big topic with brilliant ideas how you will turn this around. Argo can't reach more bottom than it is right now. And I'm pretty sure that it will not get any better neither, because you have no whatsoever solution to the problem. Remaining the same is what brought Argonath here and still people are here to keep this amazing set of brand. Damn.

[Link9rly]

It's not always as simple as "majority rules" - You forget that people already belong to a community, and people joined (and stayed) on that basis.

If somebody joined to play unfairly for the sake of being an asshole or just to win every scenario, that's somebody we don't need in this community. That's what we're fighting against. We don't have a need for cheaters here.

Not making a change may make some people bored (and drift away) but making a change will damage the existing community.

Players leaving is damaging to the community. When there's no players in the community remaining, it's not a community anymore. Even then, this change isn't as drastic as you are making it out to be. It's just helping clear up questionable areas of roleplay. Not sure why somebody would leave because of something being cleared up in the rules.

[Ben.]

You seem to be a classic do not touch anything-type of guy that continuously focus on remaining this unique super platform with its super-fantastic-ultra-magical vision that is so precious that you need to walk through water to keep. So please speak up loud how Argonath will get back its players and shine. Make a big topic with brilliant ideas how you will turn this around. Argo can't reach more bottom than it is right now. And I'm pretty sure that it will not get any better neither, because you have no whatsoever solution to the problem. Remaining the same is what brought Argonath here and still people are here to keep this amazing set of brand. Damn.

a little touch of seriousness and a positive atmosphere.

[Comrade]

And it shouldn't even be a discussion because it's utter bullshit to use information you got through other interactions than respected roleplay methods.

A good roleplayer knows that. Basic ground rule.

Word.

[Link9rly]

Gonna go ahead and bump this as the poll closed a while ago and nobody discussed the results.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Gonna go ahead and bump this as the poll closed a while ago and nobody discussed the results.

Poll result spoke for itself. Up-to managers and leaders if they want to act on the results of the polls.

[Hevar.]

Poll result spoke for itself. Up-to managers and leaders if they want to act on the results of the polls.

Only if there is democracy in this server haha