Undercover FBI Agents acting like "new players"

[TheRock]

Yes, I am still shocked how no one got into Luciano yet, we were always "Quantity over quality" 

Don't be so sure about that

[Taylor_P]

Back in my day, people were dedicated and people would actually role play well, at least with me and a few others, then again them Freekops asking you to give them armor every 10 seconds did discourage me a bit.

[Comrade]

I am torn on this subject. From one point of view, the FBI are just acting as "noobs" with lazy English, which of course they are allowed to do. When you go undercover, you gotta go deep. From the other point of view, this being a text-based RPG game, it seems redundant to go down 15 levels and pretend one's stupid. FBI should use bad English, not lazy English. The difference? Not capitalising start of sentences and names, using 'u' instead of 'you', etc etc is lazy English. Bad English, on the other hand, would be legitimately misspelling words and building sentences slightly wrong, using wrong pronouns, your/you're, messing up plural and singular forms, etc, like a foreigner would.

It's a hard concept to grasp, but basically what I'm trying to convey is that FBI should write the way a foreigner would write, not write the way a lazy person would.

[Lincoln.]

Don't be so sure about that

Maybe I am undercover 


@Comrade
What does that change at all?
Writing lazy English or bad English? Who even cares about it?

[Comrade]

Maybe I am undercover 


@Comrade
What does that change at all?
Writing lazy English or bad English? Who even cares about it?

Because, and this is just my opinion, writing "bad English" on purpose requires skill in how languages work. If the FBI agent goes undercover as a Russian noob, the agent needs to have knowledge of how the Russian language is written (not necessarily know the language, just how subjects, verbs, plurals, etc interact with one another) and then purposefully write English in a way a typical Russian foreigner inexperienced in English would write. That is called acting.

Lazy English on the other hand is just typing in "internet language" and in my opinion abuses the fact that this is a text-based RPG.

[McGarrett]

If you think we're trying to impress criminals by acting like nice and making them easier to detect undercover agents then you're wrong.

No, I do not expect you to "impress" criminals by acting nice and making them detect you earlier. If you knew better then you'd have looked over your options. I expect as much as you roleplaying properly instead of pretending to be a new player.

We don't represent a professional law enforcement agency, we are a professional law enforcement agency with top quality federal investigations, massive amount of intelligence, assets and evidence from which many aren't in public just to not expose our assets and undercover agents. Thus why Abraham case wasn't made a week after it happened.

Top quality is not going around "hey halp how do I grow wiiidz?". Neither does the terms "massive amount" of intelligence and assets go under that category either.

Thanks, we are happy to be doing our job and pissing corrupt and reckless officers off.

That is not the right mentality you got there. Especially for a Division Chief, I'd expect something better. This statement is as well a contradiction of your "massive amount" or intelligence and professionalism. If you believe I did something wrong, you are at opportunity and free to report me to the Internal Affairs of SAPD or directly address my superior officers such as Taseen, John, David, Lionel and Trane. You're free to do so. However, last time I checked I am actually following every SAPD procedure to the book and I am helping other officers to improve their quality of efficience on the field. So where you get this reckless and corrupt officer assumption from is beyond me.

What you're saying is that I am a corrupt and reckless officer with no proof whatsoever, and last time I checked, I have not received a disciplinary action since I rejoined SAPD, so that pretty much makes every officer of SAPD a reckless and corrupt employee? I do not think that is the right mindset you have if you're to lead a cooperation between SAPD and FBI. You should really re-evaluate your words, and you can apologize to me for calling me a reckless and corrupt officer without any proof.

Have a nice day.

[.Matthew.]

Damn that's unfortunate that we don't work by your expectations. Oh well. What someone expects and how it's done are two different things. I didn't expect you to do some things in past either but you've still done them. I don't think I was calling you out for it beside in this topic after you made a post yourself and initiated it.

Also, you talk about cooperation between SAPD and FBI?  If it was up to you we'd still be shooting each other with combat shotgun just like in RS4.

[McGarrett]

What someone expects and how it's done are two different things.

I completely agree. However, "hey how do i grow wiidz halp plzz" is not how it should be done. What can I back that up with? Oh yeah, right let me quote exactly what you said.
"we are a professional law enforcement agency with top quality federal investigations, massive amount of intelligence, assets and evidence(...)" <-- That is your contradiction.

I didn't expect you to do some things in past either but you've still done them. I don't think I was calling you out for it beside in this topic after you made a post yourself and initiated it.

Feel free to enlighten me. Just because I did something bad as a Senior Officer of SAPD doesn't automatically grant you access to do something bad for your agents in FBI does it? Minus and minus is usually plus, but not in this case. As I said, feel free to enlighten me.

Also, you talk about cooperation between SAPD and FBI?  If it was up to you we'd still be shooting each other with combat shotgun just like in RS4.

Another assumption? Absolutely not, because if you probably didn't pay attention, then you'd probably see all my suggestions of reforming the suspect system, etc? That is because I want the server to lean on towards a more roleplay enviroment. I do not see the need for combat shotguns in such an environment, neither do I see your "halp how 2 grow wiidz"-proffessional investigation tactics as a need for that kind of an environment either.

E: Not to mention, weren't you just banned for taking suspects out with a hydra? So basically, what you're saying is "If it was up to you, we'd still use combats(which is a bad thing), but I will use my hydra to gain an unfair advantage due to my play-2-win attitude"?.

Try again.

[.Matthew.]

If someone pretends to not know English in order to fit into a certain environment it doesn't mean he's unprofessional. When an actor in a movie acts dumb (ie. most famous example Mr.Bean), does it mean he's actually dumb? No. Every single Agent that is not undercover represents FBI in a professional manner. We won't enforce them to be professional and speak proper English when they go undercover simply to allow them to fit in into the environment they are targeting. If one has to join a mexican gang, he has to use mexican slang and wording. It all depends on the target and the way the target acts.

Feel free to enlighten me. Just because I did something bad as a Senior Officer of SAPD doesn't automatically grant you access to do something bad for your agents in FBI does it?

Just the other day you got triggered by an officer who wouldn't listen to you and you went all off on him and your supervisors in LSPD. Thus why I also said

Also, you talk about cooperation between SAPD and FBI?  If it was up to you we'd still be shooting each other with combat shotgun just like in RS4.

And...

you'd probably see all my suggestions of reforming the suspect system, etc? That is because I want the server to lean on towards a more roleplay enviroment. I do not see the need for combat shotguns in such an environment, neither do I see your "halp how 2 grow wiidz"-proffessional investigation tactics as a need for that kind of an environment either.

Let's ignore the suggestion part since it's all taken from THAT PLACE with few little tweaks, but "halp how 2 grow wiidz", go find an image or a chatlog where an undercover agent talks like that.

All I'm asking from those who claim undercover agents impersonate newbies by playing literally dumb, show me evidence of it happening. Get me chatlogs. I don't ask for roleplayed evidence. I'm asking for mere screenshot or chatlog where an undercover agent goes "how to grow weed" or "whats the command to grow weed" or "pls giv me free mony idk how to make".
It's one thing if someone uses bad English but doesn't impersonate new player as in acting as he doesn't know how the server works nor its commands and another thing when someone just uses bad English but doesn't waste someone's time asking questions about how the server works and asking people to show them things.

E: Not to mention, weren't you just banned for taking suspects out with a hydra? So basically, what you're saying is "If it was up to you, we'd still use combats(which is a bad thing), but I will use my hydra to gain an unfair advantage due to my play-2-win attitude"?.

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[jovanca]

If someone pretends to not know English in order to fit into a certain environment it doesn't mean he's unprofessional.

If someone pretends not to know english, that's exactly what it means, being unprofessional. If someone roleplays not to know english, now that's something else.

[.Matthew.]

Roleplay:

the acting out or performance of a particular role

What's so much different from pretending to be someone and acting to be someone?

[Deni1997]

BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTING LIKE FCKIN NUBS AND YOU IDIOTS ARE IGNORING IT!!! THE FCK THIS SERVER TURNED INTO A FCKIN DAYCARE????? GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO YOU WILL FCK WITH!!

[Lincoln.]

BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTING LIKE FCKIN NUBS AND YOU IDIOTS ARE IGNORING IT!!! THE FCK THIS SERVER TURNED INTO A FCKIN DAYCARE????? GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO YOU WILL FCK WITH!!

Oh man... It's turning into a dangerous environment for criminals, no need to be so pissed off.

[TrotlDebilni]

BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTING LIKE FCKIN NUBS AND YOU IDIOTS ARE IGNORING IT!!! THE FCK THIS SERVER TURNED INTO A FCKIN DAYCARE????? GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO YOU WILL FCK WITH!!

I love how you are using caps lock but yet censor words like "fuck" and "noobs".

This is the internet, you are allowed to swear, typing in all caps looks stupid though.

[AK47]

And people are seriously wondering why Argo lacks players and others are laughing at the server.