[IV:MP] Rework on the Weed system.

[Nadim Jones]

Eh not only how player harvest weed infront of cops. Also. You catch him. Jail him /kill him. And he come back. Maybe the punishment should be more.that way he will be afraid to be catched. and the maphunt by the cops is increasing. I really dont know where is the roleplay in all of this.
the new law says. "Dont drive in the god damn outlook park" and people keeps driving and parking  like nothing happen.........

[Surena]

Eh not only how player harvest weed infront of cops. Also. You catch him. Jail him /kill him. And he come back. Maybe the punishment should be more.that way he will be afraid to be catched. and the maphunt by the cops is increasing. I really dont know where is the roleplay in all of this.
the new law says. "Dont drive in the god damn outlook park" and people keeps driving and parking  like nothing happen.........

Punishments could be a lot higher to keep it exciting and challenging for both cops and criminals. Counts as the risky part of the job, but rewards should be high if succeed.
We could add criminal roleplay events to roleplay once in a while with many criminals when many cops are online or something else.

you say your main problem is not money however reading through your posts money seem to be the only issue here.
"why wouldnt i fish if i needed money?" cuz it's boring as hell imo. driving around harvesting in front of cops and getting suspected is more fun right?

Well, the new script that disallows us to harvest when cops are near isn`t the best idea either in my regard.
Or the fact that we can only sell limited amount of weed per day to a NPC (I think its like 2/3 times per day which sucks), aswell as the concert-tickets which we cannot trade.

Look in this perspective; When I wish to farm in Charge island or when I`m growing in Boabo, then cops like to come with some kind of donuts and a cup of tea...
How the heck will cops know that someone is even here without looking on the map? 

Their excuse is "I`m patrolling here," but they usually NEVER come to these places to patrol.

Criminals will get upset about the fact that cops focus more on farm areas when farmers are near the area, even when they are like in DPD and they see it in Bohan or Boabo.
As a result that criminals will start copbaiting and trolling.

the old system was a complete mess to the whatever economy we have but sure if a good economy means having tens of players sitting at a million dollars+ yeah go ahead and request it back.

Then what is the point of having weed at all if it is only meant for roleplay purposes and little to no profit or even loss (when getting bribes).
Weed was, weed is, and weed should remain the most illegal job that someone can do for cash.
It should be risky as hell, but it should reward some good cash as well.

Now we only have the high risk level because of what I mentioned above. But we barely get profit, if not loss.

And about the tens of players sitting at a million dollars+, thats impossible to avoid, even when removing the weed system completely.
There are more biz like Car Dealers and Gas Stations, Clothes shops, restaurants, illegal gun trafficking, or even fishing which make your argument kinda pointless against this idea.

[Vitorrio]

Eh, not only how a player harvests weed in front of cops. Also. You catch him. Jail him /kill him. And he comes back. Maybe the punishment should be more. That way he will be afraid to be catched. And the maphunt by the cops is increasing.

Well, Senate made a suggestion about the current weed system:

My suggestion is to add some risk to that decision to hopefully prevent it from happening so much. My suggestion is as follows:

If a player is suspected within 10 seconds of harvesting OR harvests while already a suspect then:

a) The player will lose 20 cannabis if surrendered to police.
b) The player will lose 40 cannabis if killed by police.
c) the player will lose nothing if they successfully evade the police.

(note: 1 seed = 20 cannabis)

If we look at this in realistic terms, a suspect who recently harvested a plant who is caught by police would obviously have those drugs confiscated/seized from them.

I really don't know where is the roleplay in all of this.

And yes, many players choose not to roleplay at all. This was in RS 1.8, this is now, this has been forever. It doesn't mean that there aren't players roleplaying out there. But, they need to interact in order to roleplay (for example, if a guy makes an advertisement for his/her hot dog stand services, but, unfortunately, he/she gets ignored by players because they think they need to make money fast through any means possible).

The new law says. "Don't drive in the god damn Outlook Park" and people keep driving and parking like nothing happened.........

Actually, the law says not to park/drive in any park, at all.
*brings a printed copy of the laws, showing an underlined part of the paper*

Act 11.11
It is forbidden to operate any vehicle (including bikes and helicopters) inside any park throughout Liberty City.
Exception is for LEO vehicles and authorised government vehicles.

Anyway, many people don't even bother to read the laws, not to waste time probably. So, I think the only thing to be done is the Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) to take measurements and take the driving license away from those who break the law. Or at least fine them.

[Nadim Jones]

Punishments could be a lot higher to keep it exciting and challenging for both cops and criminals.

I dont think. They will challenge the cops. Most of criminals doesnt want to lose money more or weed..

Actually, the law says not to park/drive in any park, at all.
*brings a printed copy of the laws, showing an underlined part of the paper*

yea i know the law. But i took the outlook park as an example. Also im sure that this law has been created cause of the drug dailers and their weed spot there 

[Surena]

Basically when I look to the amount of people who supported my idea in this topic, aswell as in-game...
I don`t see why some are saying that the economy was broken, aswell as they are screaming about the non-rp bullshit.

We had more roleplay in the past, and that's a fact. You can ask veterans, look at older screenshots and such as proof.

I have also seen that Paprika was knocking himself out with fishing in order to get some roleplay in the weed business by buying at high prices.
Though even he doesn`t realize that the system itself is broken.

Roleplaying drugdeals and such were so much easier and fun in RS1.8 than now.
Now its not as easy and fun as in the past so people don`t even bother roleplaying.

And about the economy you would think right now huh?

The economy was perfect, nobody was in the minus and we could focus on roleplay since we didn`t have that much biz and such like we do now.
Now we have a broken economy if you ask me, the roles are literally rotated 180 degrees.
The Lucchese family took it even further by starting a bank with the cash they had made in RS1.8 to help people out because of this.

All we want and belong for is a better system, that keeps it fun, exciting and challenging for both cops and criminals, and if that is asked too much, then we just want the old weed system from the previous release (1.8) back without any other moaning and groaning.

[Nadim Jones]

I agree with what you said.
In my opinion. It doesnt need a better system. If you want to role play, Then you can, without any commands ect. It depends on how you act. If we look at both systems, both of them can be done without role play.
Anyway Supported. 

[about10pandas]

The present weed system is pointless, you have to buy in a higher price than NPC in order to attract all of the customers so that you can get the 100 concert-tickets and then further 50 mafia-tokens, in result, no profit at all or even I've seen people losing money in it. Illegal stuff makes more money than anything. In this system, nobody makes anything.

[Joey]

The present weed system is pointless, you have to buy in a higher price than NPC in order to attract all of the customers so that you can get the 100 concert-tickets and then further 50 mafia-tokens, in result, no profit at all or even I've seen people losing money in it. Illegal stuff makes more money than anything. In this system, nobody makes anything.

Still don't get it why ppl buy for a price higher or equal to the selling price.

[gabrielkiriac]

you want something challenging for both sides? try to massively roleplay the whole weed thing. make roleplay connections to how you get weed, who's your dealer, who you're dealing to etc so cops could actually make roleplay cases and stuff because afterall that's our goal, to get you jailed. i myself am sick to my stomach of the countless in game chases that make little to no sense. that's fun? that's the dm-ish part of your so called rp. everybody plays superman in game and then they complain about lack of roleplay when losing.
the current weed system isn't perfect but it's better than the old one and yes i do want to see it changed but not to anything that's like the old one.

[Surena]

you want something challenging for both sides? try to massively roleplay the whole weed thing. make roleplay connections to how you get weed, who's your dealer, who you're dealing to etc so cops could actually make roleplay cases and stuff because afterall that's our goal, to get you jailed.

I did this In RS1.8 with Joey, SAQIB, Nadim, BeQa and some others, though probably got jailed only once or twice. But the heavy roleplay was still in, starting through cellphone, not even PM.
I even remember myself dealing twice with an FBI... 

But now it's hard, not to mention the fact that we cannot harvest with cops near, even in "massive roleplay."

everybody plays superman in game and then they complain about lack of roleplay when losing.

You just exposed yourself? 

the current weed system isn't perfect but it's better than the old one and yes i do want to see it changed but not to anything that's like the old one.

True. And that is what I asked for. Finally someone sees my point!

All we want and belong for is a better system, that keeps it fun, exciting and challenging for both cops and criminals, and if that is asked too much, then we just want the old weed system from the previous release (1.8) back without any other moaning and groaning.

[Joey]

Weed is bad stay away from it. Lives will be destroyed.

[ahmedXD]

A guy pulls you over and asks for money, you agree to roleplay ofc in /em . You then don't comply with the person and get killed then report him for dm.

Now its your mistake accepting to take part in rp then complain later.

About weed system its as it seems to be more rp oriented than making money.
Simply if your goal is to get money than the lawful jobs can get you that.

Changing the weed system to make it like the old rs 1.8 10-20k profit daily won't happen anymore in rs2.0. people will buy all sort of sport vehicles in a week and the most expensive house.
Then the server will die again, you have nothing to go after. Achieved everything.

Mostly people will login once or twice a week to drive their infernus and fill it up then /q

[Surena]

About weed system its as it seems to be more rp oriented than making money.
Simply if your goal is to get money than the lawful jobs can get you that.

I get what you mean (probably), and yes, the roleplay part could be improved (when a new system gets scripted), but what about the Profi...LOSS in cash when farming while weed should be the most risky job for huge amounts of cash?

Even others are upset that they need to buy weed higher than NPC prices just to attract all the farmers. And if you don`t like that, then you need to grow yourse... Oh wait! Forgot to mention that there aren`t much pots and the ones that exist are always occupied. Even in RS1.8 we had two kinds of NPC`s where the beginners could start with the 6 starters and then from lv50 with the 3 other NPC`s so everyone could keep up.

The present weed system is pointless, you have to buy in a higher price than NPC in order to attract all of the customers so that you can get the 100 concert-tickets and then further 50 mafia-tokens, in result, no profit at all or even I've seen people losing money in it. Illegal stuff makes more money than anything. In this system, nobody makes anything.

So guys, either come with better ideas and arguments than the non-rp bullshit and broken economy, since this ain`t even the real deal. We are talking about weed after all, not some kind of plastic barbies...

Basically when I look to the amount of people who supported my idea in this topic, aswell as in-game...
I don`t see why some are saying that the economy was broken, aswell as they are screaming about the non-rp bullshit.

All we want and belong for is a better system, that keeps it fun, exciting and challenging for both cops and criminals, and if that is asked too much, then we just want the old weed system from the previous release (1.8) back without any other moaning and groaning.

[about10pandas]

The reason people buy in a higher price is cuz if you farm, cops will come and you're going straight to the court, ofc you'll lose the case. The money you make in weed goes all to waste when you pay the fine. Weeders can't fight the court, it's the law. So, in order to get as much weeds, people buy in a higher price and sell them in a big loss, which is the opposite of making money illegally lol. Some dealers stop buying weeds and start doing missions and fishing to earn money to get more weeds in a higher price. In the end, after they deliver the 100 tickets, they lose $1 less but they still lose alot. Yeah,this system is much better LOL