Roleplay direction of the server

[Pete]

I agree here, we have a saying in Bulgarian "One bird can't make autumn happen"

spring*

lol ye LMAO I just like autumn

[Stivi]

This is more of a free roam server with fewer scripts than a light RP. Also, light RP doesn't mean no RP.

[Darty]

This is more of a free roam server with fewer scripts than a light RP. Also, light RP doesn't mean no RP.

Agreed.

[Miki.]

This is more of a free roam server with fewer scripts than a light RP. Also, light RP doesn't mean no RP.

That's a pretty accurate description, scripts aren't the main problem at least in my opinion rather the proper obeying of basic roleplay rules, isn't necessarily written ones - the moment most of the veterans step into a new standard of roleplay it will slowly make everything change but that cannot be done unless staff gets involved and makes sure because right now it's like 5-10precents are trying to make a change while others aren't.

[Bogomil]

The point is there aren't any strict roleplay rules. There are rules that say avoiding rp, and metagaming/powergaming aren't allowed, but that's all. We need stricter rules.

[Mobius]

As of all I've got to read in this topic, I'll suggest something I've been thinking of, which should eventually help the status quo to lean towards a more RPful in-game behaviour. The biggest problem with roleplay in Argonath is that there's no collective approach to it, and all we've got are spare niches that tend not to cooperate one and other because there's lack of will to invest on a server-wide scenario. As a community, those who do want to roleplay should gather together OOCly (besides the possible IC heat between one and other) as to distribute the roles groups are taking in the server-wide scenario. The only way to shape the status quo into roleplaying is to show them a server that actually interacts like that as a whole. If players can find themselves grinding alone and making money in order to earn goods on their own, without experiencing any contact with roleplay, don't expect them to embrace it.

Also, Im the first one to stand up for quality character development, but you can't have that If every group in the server follows the same goal: Stop trying to monopolize San Andreas, you earn nothing from owning half the server's properties. If 60% of the businesses you own are empty and have no reason to exist besides your will to own them for bragging rights, all you do is undermine their IC purpose. There's nothing quality in every mafia/family/corporation running every business at the same time, when they clearly don't have enough time, staff nor will to run every business like they should be doing. You're just replicating one another.

Regarding criminal vs criminal activity, I've said this more than once. The only way to make those scenarios interesting for the whole server to enjoy and take note from, is to prevent them from reflecting the obvious outcome. If you're going to war with another group, lay down what you're going to do. Schedule the plot you're working with and don't expect to finish annihilating the other group. Disregard this, If anything criminals should be proactively interacting with each other. The best we can hope for is help each group have their own identity. Otherwise we're not contributing to the server, we're just hoping the best for our own group in lack of the others, which either disband or go inactive due to the lack of interest the rest of the groups show them.

Groups need to co-exist with other groups in order to make things fun, big group leaders should be the first ones to interact with minor groups and ask them about their perspective. If big sharks make room in the tank, Im sure this community will once again flourish, but for that to happen, we've got to be openminded. Make groups interact OOCly with one another, so that small groups with inventive ideas get their chance at telling you what they'd like to be doing and then you may figure out you can help them aswell as benefit yourself.

I'll give you an example of how a server-wide scenario works:

If a group decides to run a bar or a club, instead of opening your own, why don't you make their place your stomping ground?

If a group decides to run a gym, why don't you hit the gym everyday?

If a group decies to run a betting shop, why don't you make your bets there?

If a group decides to open a groceries store, why don't you go there buy whatever atleast once a day?

If a group decides to run a smuggling gang and run a pawn shop, why don't you pay them a daily visit to see If they have got something of your interest?

If a group decides to run a restaurant, why don't you have dinner there every day?

If a group makes a logistics business, why don't you hire them every time you've got to move stuff?

If a group opens a barber shop, why don't you go there to have your weekly hair cut?


This is what day-to-day roleplaying means, and even If you don't enjoy life-like RP, it's the only way to create a server-wide roleplaying atmosphere. It works for both civilian activities as for criminal activities, aslong as there's demand for it.

If a group creates something new that we haven't seen before, they can post their interests, their perspective towards the business and how they'd like the rest of the server to interact with that particular business/group.

If you don't see those who run the business online, you hit them up on Discord/Skype/forums/etc.  The best way to make this work is creating a Discord group with a catalog of businesses you can attend in game, with alerts owners can send when they're open.

Like this you can spend 1 or 2 of your 4 daily hours spent in game investing on the server-wide scenario aswell as in actual quality roleplay, instead of staying AFK at your HQ doing nothing, or talking bullshit in /p. Once we implement this and new groups get to see this does exist and big groups are exploiting it, they'll turn their attention to it because they learn from what you show them, and they want to be like you. There can be plenty of diversity in this, since gangs would visit local (cheap) businesses and mafias/families go for high etiquette. Social status plays a key role in this, and obviously helps define character.

There's clearly room for everyone in this, If you don't support it, we should already pull the plug.

[Bogomil]

Very, very well said. To summarize - if everyone starts investing time in roleplaying everyday life things, the atmosphere will improve and once that happens your way of looking at roleplay will change as well. However I still think there are people who understand this and do nothing about it. Indeed if that doesn't work we'll have to

pull the plug.

[Mobius]

Very, very well said. To summarize - if everyone starts investing time in roleplaying everyday life things, the atmosphere will improve and once that happens your way of looking at roleplay will change as well. However I still think there are people who understand this and do nothing about it. Indeed if that doesn't work we'll have to

pull the plug.

That's why my proposal is to create an actual Discord group and topic for this, both titled "Argonath's server-wide scenario", with labeled businesses and groups. People like you and I, that hope for a better roleplaying atmosphere,  can start off by giving example of how this works. My newest group owns a restaurant that Im willing to run. Im inviting @Sforza Enterprises, @Gvardia Corporation and @Corleone to join in aswell, as groups that right now seem to have people within them that look forward to the same as I. I invite you to tell me what specific things your group would like to do/run that would have the rest of the server engaging in interaction with you. Once we know that, we can distribute things up. For example, Sforza can run a restaurant, Gvardia can run a club, Corleone can run a gym, disregard the properties they already own, what business are they willing to invest into 24/7? That's what Im talking about. Of course you'll have your own groups inner RP that doesn't involve the rest of the server, but there must be something that gives you contact with the rest of the community, besides script-based businesses, like selling guns.
We'd then have to find business owners that want to participate aswell, or run our own as for the rest of the groups to interact with. It's not as simple as posting a topic in the Business or Groups and Families section because that's pointless attention. We have to make this work in game, not in the forums.

[Kacper_Gorski]

Very, very well said. To summarize - if everyone starts investing time in roleplaying everyday life things, the atmosphere will improve and once that happens your way of looking at roleplay will change as well. However I still think there are people who understand this and do nothing about it. Indeed if that doesn't work we'll have to

pull the plug.

That's why my proposal is to create an actual Discord group and topic for this, both titled "Argonath's server-wide scenario", with labeled businesses and groups. People like you and I, that hope for a better roleplaying atmosphere,  can start off by giving example of how this works. My newest group owns a restaurant that Im willing to run. Im inviting @Sforza Enterprises, @Gvardia Corporation and @Corleone to join in aswell, as groups that right now seem to have people within them that look forward to the same as I. I invite you to tell me what specific things your group would like to do/run that would have the rest of the server engaging in interaction with you. Once we know that, we can distribute things up. For example, Sforza can run a restaurant, Gvardia can run a club, Corleone can run a gym, disregard the properties they already own, what business are they willing to invest into 24/7? That's what Im talking about. Of course you'll have your own groups inner RP that doesn't involve the rest of the server, but there must be something that gives you contact with the rest of the community, besides script-based businesses, like selling guns.
We'd then have to find business owners that want to participate aswell, or run our own as for the rest of the groups to interact with. It's not as simple as posting a topic in the Business or Groups and Families section because that's pointless attention. We have to make this work in game, not in the forums.

+1

[Mobius]

+1

Im counting you in. Im actually writing down a list right now with the names of those that might be interested so why don't you interested guys reply to this topic so that I contact you? Thanks.

[Marcel]

I suggest you use the already existing ARUN discord.

[Afyea]

+1

Im counting you in. Im actually writing down a list right now with the names of those that might be interested so why don't you interested guys reply to this topic so that I contact you? Thanks.

I'm interested in helping aswell.

[Mobius]

I'm interested in helping aswell.

Counting you in!

I suggest you use the already existing ARUN discord.

If anyone who manages that discord server can hit me up on private message, I'd appreciate it.

[Marcel]

I suggest you use the already existing ARUN discord.

If anyone who manages that discord server can hit me up on private message, I'd appreciate it.

It's @Khm. Will ask him to PM you on the forums.

[Bogomil]

We don't really need ARUN to be honest. We had many of these groups in the past and nothing helped significantly. At the last ARUN meeting I attended there were few people that actually discussed how to improve the roleplay. Most of the people wanted script or any kind of support for their groups claiming that will improve the roleplay. If we are really seeking for improvement, we need to stay transparent for everyone, and everyone's opinion should be heard. More people can see this topic rather than the discord group of ARUN.

Several people suggested some good ideas and I really want someone from ARUN or the HQ to come with a statement regarding these ideas (so far only Andeey said something).