Something is wrong, how are we going to respond to this?

[Stivi]

Not even going to start this again. Let's not derail the topic.

Well there's my point proven, no one bothers to listen. And now you want to get heard and your topic to make a difference? Dude, I don't want to argue with you, nor prove you wrong. You can't solve something if you don't know what the problem is. I'm pointing at the problem(s), let's figure it all out and then start finding a solution. And no, the solution isn't a simple thing as just "remove this/them, add this/them", because we lack people/rules/scripts/etc.

If I don't mention what happened between us, it's just "complaining/moaning/being butthurt", instead I just gave an example. You don't even have to talk about it, just how to fix it.

[Younes]

I never said you're wrong or correct. You had your point of view and so did I. There are no clear rules that cover your statement neither mine. I always had and still have the utmost respect to you and Gvardia members and everyone in the server.

We need clear rules for everyone, people no longer have common sense, or common sense is now different among people as everyone has his own point of view supported by arguments which at last end up in a discussion being forced out by someone who is higher. Why even allow such things to happen in first place? It's your job to provide clear rules for a better environment, not leave everyone play in doubt and their own rules and when an admin punishes using his common sense, you come up with your own and say "no" "I'm not with this group" "I'm not biased" and calling people kids when all they did was do their job as written..

The server changed scriptwise, but the mentality had never changed. Argonath had gone to a point where it started imitating other servers' scripts and keeping the mentality to its oldschool, resulting in a total downfall and confusion between players..


I'm glad at last a step was taken and I do hope for more to come soon.. as they said, we got to start somewhere.. and I hope this be a good start for us again..

[Huntsman]

Back in my day, players would shit against on players, groups would shit on other groups.

Now HQ shits on HQ.

[Hevar.]

Back in my day, players would shit against on players, groups would shit on other groups.

Now HQ shits on HQ.

Because some people in HQ makes HQ look bad. I wish Carbon listened to the players and get rid of those people making HQ look bad and destorying all fun and making the playerbase look like its today

[Macy_Ema]

I'm not going to reply for this replies here, I'll reply to Younes's topic since I have raed all this replies and didn't get any idea about it..
Hey Younes look, I know many players didn't leave, they just got some exams, and I know many that just witing for holidays .. they're not died, they still here and reading the forum topics..Like me.. I didn't join since January 2018 but now I came back.. and soon the other players will come one by one no need to wait..
I knwo they look like they don't care , they don't think the Hq is the problem.. they got also real life, I belive that they will back as soon as possible..
Ignore my fool english or trying to write something well 

Let's start Western Arabs clan then!

Surely yes.. From where we start ? xD

[Thomas_A]

Get ingame, do your thing, problem solved 

You first need to think "Why would I join, what do I expect?" and then you join. You don't just join because "it's argonath". We need to step this up and look for solutions. This isn't normal, Argonath doesn't just simply stand up after some time. Something has to be done. Staying back and saying it will be solved with time won't work.

I don't direct my message to anyone saying that something has to be done by him.. rather than to all of us. But honestly you can't do it alone, you can't go in game and roleplay with your own self.. you need someone else.. and to get that someone else, you need to bring some goals and reasons to join the game, otherwise no one would ever join and it'd rather have zero players.

Well If you wanna make it that complicated, ask yourself before buying/downloading a game: Do I really wanna play that game ? Why would I wanna play that game If I'll leave it anyhow eventually ? Might aswell ask why eat if you'll get hungry anyhow 

Just get ingame, Its been said millions of times now - crying over forums about low playerbase aint solving a thing. If you're tired of your roles in the server, well have a change, try something else. Right now is the perfect time to begin with something new, creative. The cancer people are after is gone, you surely wont get randomly shot down or rammed right now, go host some roleplay scenes.

[Younes]

Well If you wanna make it that complicated, ask yourself before buying/downloading a game: Do I really wanna play that game ? Why would I wanna play that game If I'll leave it anyhow eventually ? Might aswell ask why eat if you'll get hungry anyhow 

Just get ingame, Its been said millions of times now - crying over forums about low playerbase aint solving a thing. If you're tired of your roles in the server, well have a change, try something else. Right now is the perfect time to begin with something new, creative. The cancer people are after is gone, you surely wont get randomly shot down or rammed right now, go host some roleplay scenes.

I agree with you.. something new could actually bring back motivation. Will keep in mind 

[MarceloS.]

One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.

[TedHamilton]

One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.

That.

[Marcel]

One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.

Just because the response to an idea doesn’t float your boat does not mean a developer is rude or does not listen to the idea.

Some ideas are better than others and some are technically impossible. Your special snowflake attitude says enough. We do not do EVERYTHING the players want, we do what is good for the community.

Good thing you left, the days of entitled kids like yourself are over.

[JackDockz]

Haha snowflake altitude xD.

[AryaN]

#freekhm Stop demoting dedicated people because you do not give a fuck about the server. He obviously was keeping the people in the servee with his work and dedication. Start demoting people who do not give a flying fuck about the server because staff is full with them.

[Pete]

Just because the response to an idea doesn’t float your boat does not mean a developer is rude or does not listen to the idea.

Some ideas are better than others and some are technically impossible. Your special snowflake attitude says enough. We do not do EVERYTHING the players want, we do what is good for the community.

Good thing you left, the days of entitled kids like yourself are over.

Nah man, you are wrong here, many many suggestions that are doable got ignored and all of them were good for the community. You are not doing what is good for the community you are doing what you and I assume the HQ or Carbon (no idea who knows about the updates) thinks it's good for the community, those are two different things.
I suggest you take in count what the players want and what they suggest more, so you actually do an update that is good for the community - because with no people there is no community.

[Marcel]

Just because the response to an idea doesn’t float your boat does not mean a developer is rude or does not listen to the idea.

Some ideas are better than others and some are technically impossible. Your special snowflake attitude says enough. We do not do EVERYTHING the players want, we do what is good for the community.

Good thing you left, the days of entitled kids like yourself are over.

Nah man, you are wrong here, many many suggestions that are doable got ignored and all of them were good for the community. You are not doing what is good for the community you are doing what you and I assume the HQ or Carbon (no idea who knows about the updates) thinks it's good for the community, those are two different things.
I suggest you take in count what the players want and what they suggest more, so you actually do an update that is good for the community - because with no people there is no community.

In the end, developers decide what is doable since they have the technical know-how to determine that.

Every single update in the past months has been created directly by looking at the suggestions board. The inventory sorting? Suggested. Fighting styles in gyms? Suggested. Phone numbers of CMB staff in /cmb? Suggested.

I suggest you cut the crap.

[Ehks]

One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.

Awww

I've never witnessed a what you call " rude " reaction from a developer here when a player suggested an idea of his/her. I don't get why all of a sudden a train full of hatred towards the developers appeared and a bunch of kids got on board. Apparently it's just fashion to hate on them every now and then. How lazy are the players are becoming.... Some post complained how the ATM functions like really? Dude really? That's one of the reasons you think? Because our players are too fucking lazy to type in a few extra words the server lost its playerbase. I honestly do not see how the scripts forced some out of here. Ohhh my bad it's also the Scripted Jobs boohoo who the fuck forced you to go and do it? EVERYONE is complaining about how - Scripted jobs are brainwashing the newcommers bla bla... Umm the script ruined the core of roleplay and turned players into cops and robbers and bots etc... I don't understand how an addition of commands and script made you lose interest it's .. What in the name of fuck?

So tell me if I'm wrong but this is your case:

Less scripts before - More players
More scripts now - less players

That's your logic... So in other words this is what happened:

Guys we added more scripts and features for you to interact with IF you wish to

Players: More scripts? Dose dat mean no moar roalplay? fuhk m out.

EVERYONE agrees that you don't need script to roleplay... So why can't you roleplay if it's there or not?

Some of the complaints:
-The pricing of weapons .... Don't get me started

-Scripted Jobs... Really? So they give you an easy way to make cash if you want to and you get pissed at it? Faster way to get your weapons.

-Apparently people are bitching about drugs? Not fully aware of that but back in 08 the drug system was a COMPLETE fuck up but we still enjoyed it. You could use the field only ONCE every 10-20 minutes and you get a maximum of 25 weed, the prices were different, laws about it etc..

You don't get how it was back in the days, people were being banned for things they haven't done, the scripts were overwhelmed with glitches and we'd brush it off and continue playing. You don't know the things we had to go through and there are two on my minds right now because I'm half asleep:

- Whenever you go off duty you keep your on-duty weapons with you so you had to shoot it all off then resume playing otherwise you'd be banned if you use it against an other player.

- We had no command to give another player weapons.

Now the major complaint apparently is the poor communication between the developers and the players of the server well that's an easy one. Not alllll of your wishes will come true, this isn't X's server nor is it Y's nor is it for both of them it's for all the A's and the B's the Cs and the D's etc.. They cannot fulfill all your ideas and suggestions and for those who assume that NONE of the player's ideas are being implemented... Big fucking DOUBT IT

Your point of view is not always shared by others, what you find beneficial, could be beneficial, but it also could be more harmful than helpful or just useless.

Don't fucking start whining because of the simplest things, grow the fuck up and start dealing with it properly because shitting on the developers will get you absolutely nowhere. Get on their good side. Apparently there's a group who has something personal against them or one of them or whatever, if it's personal keep it personal. If it's on a professional level then report it - deal with it professionally please... Please stop whining. Communication solves everything but not just any form of communication, maintain a professional/healthy one and the community will be on its way to prosper and rise. If you feel this was directed at you then it probably is. It seems that everyone wants the best for the server and that's great but work as a community for fucks sake. The world is not happy place and it's not all sunshine and candy and it's not always sunny in Philadelphia a but you still have to deal with it. Don't hate each other and I don't care if you love each other but what's most importantly is that since you both have the same goal put your problems aside, lower that ego of yours and work together to achieve it.

- Those words you see as "harsh" oh it fits what you're doing perfectly thus not used out of context.