Something is wrong, how are we going to respond to this?

[TedHamilton]

Nobody's whining, and yes, sorry but it's the truth, the current ATM system is non-sense. Besides, it is just an example of many things that need a review at least. If you don't accept critics, then probably moving to North Korea or Cuba would suit you more I guess.

And yes, I myself did notice some strange and unacceptable behaviour from some of the staff (Unacceptable by the affirmation of Andeey, so don't say I'm alone).

And yes, I've seen some people calling ideas "stupid" rather than "not effective" or "frankly useless". If you're not willing to address people's ideas and suggestions respectfully, then maybe you should lay the ground for someone else at least to reply to them. This doesn't mean that someone is b*tthurt or something, but I myself for example would accept such vocabulary from someone I know well, say Toto_Gvardia for example, but it would be strange from someone that I don't know well, staff or regular players.

[Stivi]

We need clear rules for everyone, people no longer have common sense, or common sense is now different among people as everyone has his own point of view supported by arguments which at last end up in a discussion being forced out by someone who is higher. Why even allow such things to happen in first place? It's your job to provide clear rules for a better environment, not leave everyone play in doubt and their own rules and when an admin punishes using his common sense, you come up with your own and say "no" "I'm not with this group" "I'm not biased" and calling people kids when all they did was do their job as written..

Yeah that's a huge problem, interpretation of rules.

I for one know that when a cop engages you, you can engage back. But no you can't go after the cop, just because they are on your minimap, lose them, your goal is to escape! Well if I kill the cop stopping me from escaping, then I can escape.

But sure, even if that passes as a valid reason to the administration members, there's still a whole lot of arguing to be done with what's engaging. And yeah, it does take a while to find a link, but I believe Murt/Kojak have addressed this in the past, engaging is basically when a cop is prohibiting you from escaping (rhl doesnt go down). So just by being on the minimap he's engaging you. But if I go ahead and try to explain that to a cop admin, he will say something like "Senior Officer ordered everyone to not engage, he is just following, blablabla". We have the same words for different things, we have rules being taken out of context, and the admins probably don't even have guidelines. I don't know what you get trained in, I'm speaking out of my ass here, but really that job is lacking some knowledge because it has happened to me that not only one staff member has any idea what's going on and will just go with what he knows.

I'm not going to name anyone here, for the sake of keeping this topic from turning into a shitstorm, I got punished for "come back when you know how to speak". What happened to the rules then? Where in the rules can't I speak however the fuck I want to someone, for as long as I don't break any other rules such as provoking or insulting, and even then I could have been punished for one of these two reasons, not "come back when you can speak". Yeah sure, I'm able to write English better than I was doing at the situation, but what about those that can't? Why are those people not punished? If you treat the players unfairly, and they can't change anything, well we'll just stop playing. Why are there 60 people on the forum yet only 6 IG? We didn't leave this community, we just refuse to play and deal with the bullshit that goes on.

[Younes]

Everyone actually has his own point of view regarding when to engage a cop. Some managers still say you may never go after a cop just because he is in your minimap (not on your sight).. while some say you're able to engage because he is freezing your RHL.
Different opinions, I and you are stuck in the middle.. things end up unpleasant..

Though a topic explaining some points you mentioned was created by Andeey and I hope that'd clear confusion now.. and hopefully more to come in future.

[Thomas_A]

One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.

You dont get offended ingame when someone calls you a prick or something, but you do get offended if a developer calls you that ? Well Im not saying they have but they're not taking everyones suggestions into account, obviously they need to filter out some stuff. I suggest you to get a hug or something If you felt offended.

[Darty]

One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.

You dont get offended ingame when someone calls you a prick or something, but you do get offended if a developer calls you that ? Well Im not saying they have but they're not taking everyones suggestions into account, obviously they need to filter out some stuff. I suggest you to get a hug or something If you felt offended.

You shouldn't even start talking when it comes to atittude. You're literally the last guy who can. Go spread cancer somewhere, no one needs your shit talking here. I come in game for 5 minutes, just to check something, and you alredy provoke me. Bravo, you're contributing a lot to the community. 

[Bogomil]

i suggest forum administration to lock topics like these, nothing positive in accusing each other

[Bruce.]

At least a truth is coming out isnt it.

[Darty]

At least a truth is coming out isnt it.

Definitely.

[Thomas_A]

One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.

You dont get offended ingame when someone calls you a prick or something, but you do get offended if a developer calls you that ? Well Im not saying they have but they're not taking everyones suggestions into account, obviously they need to filter out some stuff. I suggest you to get a hug or something If you felt offended.

You shouldn't even start talking when it comes to atittude. You're literally the last guy who can. Go spread cancer somewhere, no one needs your shit talking here. I come in game for 5 minutes, just to check something, and you alredy provoke me. Bravo, you're contributing a lot to the community.

Not sure whether you know what 'cancer' means in this case, but looking at your recent posts from a different angle and perspective, you're the one spreading hate, pointing fingers at people who you think are responsible for stuff you came up with pretty much.
 Speaking of contribution. do you think coming into the server and paying the taxes is a serious contribution from your end to question mine ? Well..someone should moderate this guys hate speeches over the past couple of weeks because Ive got no clue why is this guy still here or what he's after, because he surely isnt here to play, he's here only to push blame onto people.
 
 I agree with Bogomil, these topics should be locked already, enough of the moaning, solutions are right infront of ya'll, get ingame, play and If you dont want to, move on.

[Darty]

One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.

You dont get offended ingame when someone calls you a prick or something, but you do get offended if a developer calls you that ? Well Im not saying they have but they're not taking everyones suggestions into account, obviously they need to filter out some stuff. I suggest you to get a hug or something If you felt offended.

You shouldn't even start talking when it comes to atittude. You're literally the last guy who can. Go spread cancer somewhere, no one needs your shit talking here. I come in game for 5 minutes, just to check something, and you alredy provoke me. Bravo, you're contributing a lot to the community.

Not sure whether you know what 'cancer' means in this case, but looking at your recent posts from a different angle and perspective, you're the one spreading hate, pointing fingers at people who you think are responsible for stuff you came up with pretty much.
 Speaking of contribution. do you think coming into the server and paying the taxes is a serious contribution from your end to question mine ? Well..someone should moderate this guys hate speeches over the past couple of weeks because Ive got no clue why is this guy still here or what he's after, because he surely isnt here to play, he's here only to push blame onto people.
 
 I agree with Bogomil, these topics should be locked already, enough of the moaning, solutions are right infront of ya'll, get ingame, play and If you dont want to, move on.

I point fingers at people who deserve it, I don't hide shit, I always say my opinion. Oh so you're contributing? By provoking everyone who comes in game? Bravo, keep it up.

I don't know how this server is going to fixed with veterans like you. I seriously mean it, change your atittude, contribute to this community, or gtfo.

Don't lock this topic, don't make it another win for people who actually just know how to whine around on forums, but don't do anything for the server either. And yes, that's you Thomas.

[Marcel]

One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.

You dont get offended ingame when someone calls you a prick or something, but you do get offended if a developer calls you that ? Well Im not saying they have but they're not taking everyones suggestions into account, obviously they need to filter out some stuff. I suggest you to get a hug or something If you felt offended.

You shouldn't even start talking when it comes to atittude. You're literally the last guy who can. Go spread cancer somewhere, no one needs your shit talking here. I come in game for 5 minutes, just to check something, and you alredy provoke me. Bravo, you're contributing a lot to the community.

Not sure whether you know what 'cancer' means in this case, but looking at your recent posts from a different angle and perspective, you're the one spreading hate, pointing fingers at people who you think are responsible for stuff you came up with pretty much.
 Speaking of contribution. do you think coming into the server and paying the taxes is a serious contribution from your end to question mine ? Well..someone should moderate this guys hate speeches over the past couple of weeks because Ive got no clue why is this guy still here or what he's after, because he surely isnt here to play, he's here only to push blame onto people.
 
 I agree with Bogomil, these topics should be locked already, enough of the moaning, solutions are right infront of ya'll, get ingame, play and If you dont want to, move on.

I point fingers at people who deserve it, I don't hide shit, I always say my opinion. Oh so you're contributing? By provoking everyone who comes in game? Bravo, keep it up.

I don't know how this server is going to fixed with veterans like you. I seriously mean it, change your atittude, contribute to this community, or gtfo.

Don't lock this topic, don't make it another win for people who actually just know how to whine around on forums, but don't do anything for the server either. And yes, that's you Thomas.

Stop being such a argumentative little cunt and only reply when you actually have something useful to add. Last chance.

[Darty]

Stop being such a argumentative little cunt and only reply when you actually have something useful to add. Last chance.

One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.

It's definitely me who is a argumentative little cunt, not the one who started it. Amazing logic. Bravo, you're doing nothing but taking this even more to shit. Keep it up, I'm out. There's no hope for this community, with people like this.

[Badandy]

Stop being such a argumentative little cunt and only reply when you actually have something useful to add. Last chance.

This just adds fuel to the fire, Marcel.

[Rei]

Spoiler for Hiden:

[Darty]

Stop being such a argumentative little cunt and only reply when you actually have something useful to add. Last chance.

This just adds fuel to the fire, Marcel.

Nothing more. I seriously couldn't care less about Tom, but a guy who keeps talking so much trash on forum, does that in - game, I can't be quiet. I get that you're tired as well, everything is going downhill, but being rude won't fix shit.