Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.

[Thom]

Hello, maybe there are already many unnecessary posts about SA:MP's current condition. Starting off, It's pretty simple from my perspective: if you are willing to help bring activity back then try to do so instead of complaining or if you just believe Argonath SA:MP should accept its fate and disappear, maybe you should disappear your commentary on the topics that suggest to help fix this problem.

SA:MP's prime and activity is obviously descending. Old players are older now and don't have enough free time to dedicate to the server's playerbase. We've hit bottom with zero players online for long periods of time.

Firstly, if you don't want to help with this situation you don't have place here, meaning that if you believe we should let SA:MP die, let it be dead for you, let the people who want to help do something, you are doing the opposite of helping by spreading out your negativity.

Secondly, the only solution i've come up with is for the group of people that truly care to fix this issue, is to organise Events -for the fun- and RP activities -for the purpose of the server- ahead of time so everyone can probably organise their time to be there. It's important to balance both fun and quality RPing. Shouldn't focus too much on the RP and lose the fun and not lose the fun trying to make quality Roleplays. I don't know if someone like me should take iniative and start a project like this, but if there are people reading that like the idea and want to help do this, message me in forum.

Basicly, I'm saying there is no reason in shit posting, stop it. The rest is just a solution that I had to suggest.

I've made my point, about how i see this problem getting fixed. From here and on, I'm going to explain a little bit more how I see the RP Activities and Event project come to life for those who can relate to the idea.

1. Make a poll for people's most active hours on weekends and weekdays.
2. Organise Events and RP activities, on the top 3 or 5 most active hours throught the days, on 1-2 weeks++ notice.
3. On the organising of these, people get to so if they can attend, so more and more people will get motivated to come if the estimated playerbase is getting high.
4. If the playerbase isn't getting high, make the events-rps more rarely and on 2 weeks+ notice, till the ammount of players which can attend is satisfying.

People will have fun and take initiative to not let the playerbase drop again.

[Khm]

Again the issues are well known and they were addressed, ideas have been forwarded by too many people however the 2 heads and the eye aren't willing to acknowledge the issues and thus failing to even propose a solution or carry on with the suggestions to save the division, like I said on the other topic, the ball is in the community leader's and owners' hands.

RP events won't help, people will get bored from the constant staged acts (that if they actually come to try), people want continuous action to get them interested to login on the next day with a hype to find something new. To do that we need a solid ground to stand on with people standing on it that never skipped a leg day and currently we have no one like that or more like, the people that have these qualifications are pushed aside and being ignored, even staff and HQ are being ignored.
Since I've already exposed few things then I will even release something else, all of this that happened to SA:MP was because of the constant false complaints from certain people to a certain person because they didn't get what they thought rightfully theirs just because they think so, these very people didn't like that they are being compared neutrally like everyone else on the server and wanted favoritism like they've always had before from few ex corrupted staff members. They only wanted to see a corner that they didn't like from the whole picture. This selfishness led to what we're in right now. The one who received the complaints took decisionSSS upon these false accusations and caused this 2weeks downfall (server literally dropped from 60 average to 0 in 2 weeks, that doesn't happen magically lol) and then Mudoo took the chance of the downfall of Argonath's SA:MP division and recruited members there and hyped them up with few promises in which they apparently fulfilled which is why people are sticking there rather than returning here even though 70% of the cancer we had moved there. Anyone from staff team who isn't blind knows about all of this aswell but we're just being silent to not cause even worse damage.
All of this is documented in logs and screenshots and only few people have them and there's much more to know.

[Chase]

Unfortunately what Khm said appears to be true...

[Thom]

As I already said in the first post, my basic point is to stop the pointless blaming,complaining and shitting on each other.

As for my suggestion, I realise it isn't the best solution and never said it was the right/fitting one. I've given thought into it and It seemed like the only practical way in my eyes to start fixing this problem. You can't expect a bunch of people who have the free time to be daily on the server and lost interest cause of reasons, to come back out of randomly common urge to play.

That's why I opened this topic, not for people to follow my idea necessarily, but to at least suggest something else instead of solely rejecting my idea and to stop shit-posting.

[Khm]

As I already said in the first post, my basic point is to stop the pointless blaming,complaining and shitting on each other.

As for my suggestion, I realise it isn't the best solution and never said it was the right/fitting one. I've given thought into it and It seemed like the only practical way in my eyes to start fixing this problem. You can't expect a bunch of people who have the free time to be daily on the server and lost interest cause of reasons, to come back out of randomly common urge to play.

That's why I opened this topic, not for people to follow my idea necessarily, but to at least suggest something else instead of solely rejecting my idea and to stop shit-posting.

Unfortunately the solutions can only be done by the three heads no matter how much players want to help out or improve as they will be pushed aside and at some cases stopped from doing anything because some people have personal agendas against them, too many tried but they were all chased away.
You can't stop people from blaming others, the first step to finding a solution is realising the problem if we're going to limit people from blaming or pointing out problems then it will be the true end of Argonath's SA:MP division.
The same people who created these problems and spread false accusations around now realised what they have done and were trying to revive the server with activity but they failed since no one really believes them anymore or even like them since people who cared were shown the truth of what is really going on behind the scenes and just the knowledge of what's going on is an instant motivation kill. The real problems started from player's selfishness, stupidity and stubbornness and it slowly got transmitted to the higher ups as well as were shown the wrong information which led to where we are now.

[Legolas]

Yes now only Sauron,  Gandalf and Aragorn can change the server. If that happening we can focus on quality instead of quantity. In some part i am happy to se that, these people who shitted all the time. Left us. Then in my opinion, we could back to original Argonath vision of RPG.

[Bennzy]

Unban me then maybe i'll hop inthe game when i'llatleast see 1 guy ig. 

[Sauron]

The owners are not the ones who can change he it. It is up to the players and the team. I notice that someone here is complaining about his perceived bad handled personal issue, hoping that all staff will be fired and reformed. Apart from not seeing anyone with the capacity to replace, it seems more of an issue where there is a split in sides within the team. That will be addressed.
Events, fun roleplay a d action.do not come from staff or owners. They come from players.
When owners stage them they also do.it as players.
If you want change, go for it. If you want to help, be in game and also outside try to contribute in a positive way. If you feel you can be staff, show it by your actions.
When. I recently appeared I got many messages from people telling they can bring back players if they get a staff position. It does not work that way. Start by bringing in players, and show your skills then a position will follow.

[JackDockz]

You're Right Sauron....

[Khm]

The owners are not the ones who can change he it. It is up to the players and the team. I notice that someone here is complaining about his perceived bad handled personal issue, hoping that all staff will be fired and reformed. Apart from not seeing anyone with the capacity to replace, it seems more of an issue where there is a split in sides within the team. That will be addressed.
Events, fun roleplay a d action.do not come from staff or owners. They come from players.
When owners stage them they also do.it as players.
If you want change, go for it. If you want to help, be in game and also outside try to contribute in a positive way. If you feel you can be staff, show it by your actions.
When. I recently appeared I got many messages from people telling they can bring back players if they get a staff position. It does not work that way. Start by bringing in players, and show your skills then a position will follow.

@Sauron
Staff reform won't fix anything either, the players that wanted a change were ignored when they started to do the change and no one supported or helped them. The new players wont come and even if they come they won't stay, big proof is the hosted tab, the moment it expired the new players that we kept logging in disappeared. You can't get or keep players if you have a whole stack of unsolved problems sitting there and refusing to acknowledge them. Everyone is tired from hearing things and getting hopes and not seeing a single action done, at this point if V:MP gets the same treatment as SA:MP, it won't last long aswell. Take notes from IV:MP and VC:MP on how they keep their own playerbase and how they keep gaining more fresh meat.

[Bennzy]

Thanks for responding sir Sauron, hope you do the things you justsaid, i'll try tohelp people once i'll beunbaned


P.S: tell our owners to wear an avatar and don't change it for 10 years, Kessu did the same and see where is vmp now

[Pete]

Nah, no, nada....no. You don't come and point to the players and say they ruined it and they can fix it...nah players can't fix it....trough out the years there has been so many awesome suggestions from players so many nice ideas and so many great groups and most of them are ignored.....(it took Hevar months to get the fighting styles in) I'm too lazy to search for Kyle's suggestion it was big and it would've brought Argo to another lvl. Lets not forget that we were let down more then once, with all the promises - new mall, new big good scripts, new mayors, better EMS and firefighter script that will support ppl that want to work as that....we were left with empty hands...nah we were even robbed with the last major update. You call all say that drugs ain't everything...well it was big part of the whole thing....either you like it or not...and you killed the one thing that was active, without even making tests or asking the players for ideas on how it can be better....you just killed it. And for all those who are telling people to come IG and start RPing and have fun and we'll see how the server will rise back again...well it ain't happening, I'll go IG with 3 ppl do one RP and poof, nothing else to do...I'll do it again tmr and I'll get bored seeing the same faces.....
Events aren't the answer...it's far from that we can't push events to gather players else we'd have to host events 24/7 so we can keep players on, and that won't last long either...I think it was Gandalf who said /me is enough....well old man..you might be wise but when you have servers that offer you much more interesting stuff + that /me command it won't do the job... it's like offering an Iphone X and a Nokia 5000 to a guy and both for free...well spoiler nobody's choosing the Nokia.
And it's true many people got disappointed by the staff or HQ or some events and gave up on the server or lost interest, I ain't gonna lie, I'm included.
So no, players aren't the one who has to fix the server, they ain't the owners of it.

[Jeremy.]

The owners are not the ones who can change he it. It is up to the players and the team. I notice that someone here is complaining about his perceived bad handled personal issue, hoping that all staff will be fired and reformed. Apart from not seeing anyone with the capacity to replace, it seems more of an issue where there is a split in sides within the team. That will be addressed.
Events, fun roleplay a d action.do not come from staff or owners. They come from players.
When owners stage them they also do.it as players.
If you want change, go for it. If you want to help, be in game and also outside try to contribute in a positive way. If you feel you can be staff, show it by your actions.
When. I recently appeared I got many messages from people telling they can bring back players if they get a staff position. It does not work that way. Start by bringing in players, and show your skills then a position will follow.

You should blame yourself rather than blaming your players.

Every HQ reform we had it always ended up with people being community banned and thrown away like an old pair of socks and guess what? Your playerbase of 30-60 players suddenly dropped to something like 1-5? Did you ever think about owners/HQ being the main reason of players leaving?

You always treated your own players like shit and whenever they came up with some unique ideas you just shut the door right in their nose saying "your ideas doesnt fit Argonath vision, go away".

Years passed and you kept loosing your players because you werent capable of selecting a capable HQ team which could show dedication on their tasks and focus on keeping the server alive, giving reasons for the current players to stay and try to attract even more people. Same goes for developing team, they would need 2 fucking years to complete something really basic because there was none to put them to work and kick their asses if they couldn't do it in time. "I was busy IRL" is just a silly excuse while they offered themselves as volunteers. Now you will say "you dont need a script to rp" haha, wake up, its 2018. It's a 13 years old game, the generations are changing and those which come from behind they always tend to get attracted by new stuff.

Let's not forget the biased staff selections which were made. People ending up getting banned for no reasons. People which were caught hacking 5 times being unbanned again and again. People abusing their powers just because X player is taking part in the rival group. The same people which got caught being abusive got kicked/demoted 2-3 times then re-joined the staff like nothing happened.

There are soooooo much things I could wrote but at the end of the day I know nothing will change.

[William Carter]

Am really disappointed seeing how the mall and the other updates, suggestions are not implemented in the server, 2 months passed btw. i knew many players were working hard, and now, nothing changed. The problem is from the head, they should take more responsibilities and try to fix and implement the update or atleast a topic should be posted explaining everything. But, I guess sauron or Gandalf insist to have the same HQ which means nothing will change I totally agree with ikhm

[Cyclone]

Am really disappointed seeing how the mall and the other updates, suggestions are not implemented in the server, 2 months passed btw. i knew many players were working hard, and now, nothing changed. The problem is from the head, they should take more responsibilities and try to fix and implement the update or atleast a topic should be posted explaining everything. But, I guess sauron or Gandalf insist to have the same HQ which means nothing will change.

I have to parkour my way up to the guy just to see that I didn't gain anything.