Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.

[Khm]

I left because of the shit HQ Gandalf chose to run the server.

The same way, not everyone that left the server left because of the shit script or whatever inside reason. The reason is simple. The HQ chose nepotism over you know..

No, you left because Matthew got banned for cyberbullying and you got banned for the hate speech you spammed  and pretended that your account was breached.

You don't know shit my friend. Stop protecting your ass.

It's not like i didnt dig about this matter when i was a manager.
I'd like the topic to stay as it was, a constructive discussion rather than shitting on people when it's not even their fault.

[DinoKid23]

If u really wanna see a pop in player return unban all, revert back to simple script or release an all new super super one that will create hype and make new leadership team. that's the truth man

[TedHamilton]

forum be lit rn lmao

 

[Legolas]

The owners are not the ones who can change he it. It is up to the players and the team. I notice that someone here is complaining about his perceived bad handled personal issue, hoping that all staff will be fired and reformed. Apart from not seeing anyone with the capacity to replace, it seems more of an issue where there is a split in sides within the team. That will be addressed.
Events, fun roleplay a d action.do not come from staff or owners. They come from players.
When owners stage them they also do.it as players.
If you want change, go for it. If you want to help, be in game and also outside try to contribute in a positive way. If you feel you can be staff, show it by your actions.
When. I recently appeared I got many messages from people telling they can bring back players if they get a staff position. It does not work that way. Start by bringing in players, and show your skills then a position will follow.

I been online for few months last year. I try to have good old RP fun. And you know what? Nobody cares. Expat 5 People,  that actually knew what RP stand for. And what was my conclusion form that time:

1. People didnt know, and don't want to learn what is RP
2. People care more on virtual money than having fun
3. There was, and is split in administration  (i will keep more information for myself)
4. In my opinion half scripts should be removed (if you ask i will explain why) 
5. Owners are not guilty for all player mistakes...but activity (ask in PM)
6. Events and new scripts wont change anything
7. These who wanted change players attitude by learning them RP,  left or quit (when all shitted on you, it happens).   

[Thom]

Ignoring the fact that many people didn't even care to read the main topic and went straight ahead fighting or shit-posting, I'm just going to present my observation.

Asking people to help bring the activity back, pming me in forum to organise it, I didn't even get a single PM. It's easy for heads,staff and players to point the blame to each other, but the problem isn't who's fault is this but how to conclude to a solution. I believe most people know that RP Activities and Events would bring at least 0.01% fix to this problem, if you truly cared to fix it you would have tried to organise it, at least one person, for this tiny percent.


People need to get their shit together, and actually do something for this instead of blaming. If we can't bring ourselves together to a solution, then for fuck's sake i'm going to agree with the let it die movement.

Any change now that will keep people waiting again, will bring more dissatisfaction. If you don't like my idea, then go ahead suggest something else. If you want to bring the server's activity back then do something about it. Anyone can  help with this, be they a player, staff or owners, if they actually have the intent to help.

[Reckless]

2. People care more on virtual money than having fun

I want to empower players to have fun and not focus on money. Therefore, I propose, everyone send me all their money and assets as soon as I install GTA and SA:MP, whenever that is.

[Khm]

Ignoring the fact that many people didn't even care to read the main topic and went straight ahead fighting or shit-posting, I'm just going to present my observation.

Asking people to help bring the activity back, pming me in forum to organise it, I didn't even get a single PM. It's easy for heads,staff and players to point the blame to each other, but the problem isn't who's fault is this but how to conclude to a solution. I believe most people know that RP Activities and Events would bring at least 0.01% fix to this problem, if you truly cared to fix it you would have tried to organise it, at least one person, for this tiny percent.


People need to get their shit together, and actually do something for this instead of blaming. If we can't bring ourselves together to a solution, then for fuck's sake i'm going to agree with the let it die movement.

Any change now that will keep people waiting again, will bring more dissatisfaction. If you don't like my idea, then go ahead suggest something else. If you want to bring the server's activity back then do something about it. Anyone can  help with this, be they a player, staff or owners, if they actually have the intent to help.

First step to solving a problem is acknowledging mistakes, people expressed their intent to help too many times but were pushed away, the ones who pushed everyone away for their personal agendas must man up and admit what they have done and apologise publicly, thats the only way to get people who cared back.

[Mark]

I don't know why you expect people not to shit on you owners, when in these years you have been insulting players who shared different ideas than your "argonath vision" and also refused or at least try to implement some changes to the scripts, that according to you were against the vision. Developers have always been limited also by it when they tried to implement community's suggestions.
You don't want this place to die but at same time you don't want to adapt it to the new generation who does roleplay differently than 10 years ago. The world evolves, but this one is stuck to a mentality that has proved to do more harm than good in the last 4-5 years...
With this said i think it's up to you to bring players back, i'm pretty sure alot of people left in the the first place because they were treated bad and felt like they were wasting time.

[RastaMousey]

forum be lit rn lmao

[JackDockz]

forum be lit rn lmao

  Good Positivity 

[Andeey]

The SA:MP community will never begin to repair itself if people keep blaming each other rather than looking in the god damn mirror.

Fix yourselves before you criticize others.

[Thom]

The SA:MP community will never begin to repair itself if people keep blaming each other rather than looking in the god damn mirror.

Fix yourselves before you criticize others.

That.

We are the people who constitute this community, this enviroment. You didn't join this community because you had high hopes for HQ's management, but because you found interest in the people in it. The name Argonath limits us to rules, server, staff but in the end, the group of people under it are the ones keeping it alive. Argonath Community.. Both words are interdependent. Argonath without community can't exist, but community without argonath can exist by moving, like it has already did, on other servers. Anything that constitutes Argonath, should give a good reason to the community to stay under its name.

Still, who's fault is it isn't the problem, but for the simple reason that Community can exist without Argonath, but not vice versa, there have to be some changes from the heads of the server or high ranks. At the same time, for the sake of the community,for the people that you had fun with , players should try too fixing this problem, if they can clear to themselves if their intent to help the fix of this problem is bigger than their ego.

[Miki.]

The SA:MP community will never begin to repair itself if people keep blaming each other rather than looking in the god damn mirror.

Fix yourselves before you criticize others.

That.

We are the people who constitute this community, this enviroment. You didn't join this community because you had high hopes for HQ's management, but because you found interest in the people in it. The name Argonath limits us to rules, server, staff but in the end, the group of people under it are the ones keeping it alive. Argonath Community.. Both words are interdependent. Argonath without community can't exist, but community without argonath can exist by moving, like it has already did, on other servers. Anything that constitutes Argonath, should give a good reason to the community to stay under its name.

Still, who's fault is it isn't the problem, but for the simple reason that Community can exist without Argonath, but not vice versa, there have to be some changes from the heads of the server or high ranks. At the same time, for the sake of the community,for the people that you had fun with , players should try too fixing this problem, if they can clear to themselves if their intent to help the fix of this problem is bigger than their ego.

I say it with out a doubt players tryed and are willing to try to make a change and advance, thing here is that the problem that exists is out of the hand of the players they can't do nothing there is a reason the player base dropped drastically with in two weeks and everyone disappeared I used to put the majority of my time into the game putting work into it and even when I'm not on the PC ideas were cooking up my head about new stuff to bring and more ideas. scripts are not important the minimum you expect from HQ is not to bring new updates and new stuff is to avoid favoritism and keep the server at a stable place with out any chaos. both were failed which first pushed the players that put alot of effort and simply felt stepped  on  and with out these players stuff went into chaos and that's the result even the smallest players that aren't really updated with the stuff going behind the scenes left as a cause of that. that's a prove players do in fact have a great power true but when it comes to current condition people will refuse to log in not because they don't care they will not log in because the problem stays and lets face it who wants to throw time into a game while not having fun in it. not having fun because of favoritism existing and chaos both with in the lines we can see in the server and behind the scenes same chaos is going on.

[Thomas_A]

Lets keep making these topics, lets keep talking the same shit over and over, blaming the same people over and over. Guess what - nothing will change.
Stuff will change If people go ingame, roleplay or do whatever they feel like whats within the limits of rules and enjoy themselves. If others see people doing that, they will eventually join in and that helps/motivates developers to work on their objectives quicker perhaps. Im not saying they're doing it slow right now or anything, but they see Its worth of doing.

[William Carter]

Lets keep making these topics, lets keep talking the same shit over and over, blaming the same people over and over. Guess what - nothing will change.
Stuff will change If people go ingame, roleplay or do whatever they feel like whats within the limits of rules and enjoy themselves. If others see people doing that, they will eventually join in and that helps/motivates developers to work on their objectives quicker perhaps. Im not saying they're doing it slow right now or anything, but they see Its worth of doing.

I like the idea but it will never work even the next 40393 years