Clearing up the RS4 situation

[Younes]

If HQ did what was necessary back then, people wouldn't be desperate now and asking for the illogical to be done.

[Stivi]

You will kill the server, no way RS4 will save it. The community is toxic as fuck, myself included, but still not going to work. As long as the current player structure stands, this will be the server.

And Nathan, with all due respect, you haven't been playing long enough to see how the playerbase reacted to scripts/rule/policy changes.

[Nathan]

And Nathan, with all due respect, you haven't been playing long enough to see how the playerbase reacted to scripts/rule/policy changes.

Homie please, I've been here for over a decade now.

[Lazar.]

Stop shitting on the forums, Rs4 will get argonath into life or it wont, its simple, lets leave it on the time and we will see, if it succeed we will continue playing it, if it doesnt , nothing to lose. We will get back into the current gamemode. Nothing to lose.
I dont want to offend anybody, its just the truth.

[Reasy]

I've been out of sight for a long time and I do not know what exactly is going on, but what I know is that enlivening RS4 is not the solution for the current situation, it is simply the maturation of people that does not give them the motive to hop in and play, at least that is what I think. Hello though.

[Acika]

The data is all gone, the flatfiles were lost.

If this is true and you cant teleport us straight back to 2012 then i see no point of this. Noone has time and will to grind it again.

I think this is it fellas. Old files are gone, new ones are a fail. It's just been a prolonged death.


@Teddy I know it's too late but i just looked it up and from what i found it's possible to transter MySQL files to flat files and  vice versa(i saw posts dating from 2006-2011), that means the files were never much of a problem. It's just that someone had a problem with variable names and functions not being abstract and optimal.

In that case I'll never understand why a) Fresh script with transferred data was made
                                             b) Simply new system made on the current one with data preserved
                                                 I understand the flat files are slower, but it was working decently for the amount of people there were. Better slower than a full restart.

[Chase]

The data is all gone, the flatfiles were lost.

If this is true and you cant teleport us straight back to 2012 then i see no point of this. Noone has time and will to grind it again.

I think this is it fellas. Old files are gone, new ones are a fail. It's just been a prolonged death.


@Teddy I know it's too late but i just looked it up and from what i found it's possible to transter MySQL files to flat files and  vice versa(i saw posts dating from 2006-2011), that means the files were never much of a problem. It's just that someone had a problem with variable names and functions not being abstract and optimal.

In that case I'll never understand why a) Fresh script with transferred data was made
                                             b) Simply new system made on the current one with data preserved
                                                 I understand the flat files are slower, but it was working decently for the amount of people there were. Better slower than a full restart.

I don't know what Teddy is referring to. From what I can tell, the data is still there on the server. User files dating back from 2011 until August 8th, 2013 are present.

Anyways there most certainly are ways to convert the data of course, anything is possible in that aspect but any tool that does that would have to be a custom made tool. There's no way to do this fast and without being a royal pain in the ass. I was not involved in the dev team when the transition from RS4 to RS5 took place, so I personally do not know the true reason as to why they decided to scrap the data. I can only speculate that it was because converting the data would be a long, tedious process that would only delay things further than they needed to be.

 They could have kept the files, sure, but eventually that would bog down the server's hard drive. I remember there was a rollback of data once due to a server crash years ago. I do not know what caused the crash but if I had to guess it would be hard drive failure from shear ton of read/write processes that were being done.

[Stivi]

And Nathan, with all due respect, you haven't been playing long enough to see how the playerbase reacted to scripts/rule/policy changes.

Homie please, I've been here for over a decade now.

Not Argonath, RS5. Go compare the player activity pre certain events and after certain events. RS5.1 comes to mind. The meth script was huge at some point. I mean fuck, Gandalf logging in attracts players... Someone else makes them log off...

Just because you think the product isn't being liked by the players, doesn't make it a fact.

[Kostas]

So ... the player base is what ... 5 tops? And you want to divide that?
Nostalgia won't run you for more than a couple of weeks ... and nostalgia of what? It's not the script ... it never fuckin' was. It's the people ... it's yourself...
What do I miss from rs4? The fact that I was I was still a school boy, spent half my day playing here, the server was full, I was a complete fuckin' noob. I enjoyed growing drugs and shooting everything and everyone most of my time IG, RP was nice but I clearly sucked at it.

You don't miss rs4... you miss how you felt in it... And fuck's sake, you know you won't feel the same in it, you are not the same...

[Lazar.]

all you who comment "nostalgia shit", "rs6 is better" "if you bring rs4 ill not join the server anymore" I am sorry but where have you been past years? why you never joined the server? why you stopped playing when rs5 came? why are you comenting now lol? Why you arent online right now?

[William Carter]

all you who comment "nostalgia shit", "rs6 is better" "if you bring rs4 ill not join the server anymore" I am sorry but where have you been past years? why you never joined the server? why you stopped playing when rs5 came? why are you comenting now lol? Why you arent online right now?

They're busy defending the hq to get some ranks. Asslickers bro 

[Benzi]

The problem with the Samp server is that the functions are the same and do not change. The player gets little money when he does the job. I also see the rules that must be changed and the staff should be good with the people.

[Thom]

Nostalgia won't run you for more than a couple of weeks ... and nostalgia of what? It's not the script ... it never fuckin' was. It's the people ... it's yourself...
What do I miss from rs4? The fact that I was I was still a school boy, spent half my day playing here, the server was full, I was a complete fuckin' noob. I enjoyed growing drugs and shooting everything and everyone most of my time IG, RP was nice but I clearly sucked at it.

You don't miss rs4... you miss how you felt in it... And fuck's sake, you know you won't feel the same in it, you are not the same...

Prety much sums it up

[Kostas]

They're busy defending the hq to get some ranks. Asslickers bro 

I love it when people generalize everything... Everyone against Rs4 idea is an asslicker who wants ranks and shit... Yet I've never even applied to become a mod... Don't waste your time writing such things guys ... come on...

[Cutt3r]

We have had so much back and forth but we are still stuck where we were.

Maybe another option we have - move to rs 6 but at least keep the rs 4 rules?  Simple light rp?  How did ic/ooc (and heavens know what other complex rules) become a part of argo i do not know but it should not be enforced please.

We banked on being a friendly helpful community. Please lets keep it that way. Complex rules,  scripts and systems will NOT help with the vision we had. Bad attitudes will also not help. If there are such people, kick their butts off the server. If this is the majority, please, still continue - u will get new players who are way better than the majority players with bad attitudes u kicked out.