Clearing up the RS4 situation

[JackDockz]

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[Lazar.]

Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Even if its retarded statement for you , it might be worthy trust me

Trust you for what? Do you want a database restart again? Do you want to start from 10k again? Do you want to play on un-supported gamemode?

Players left when they reset the players data on RS5, It will work for a week or two not more than this and everyone will go inactive again and they will start more topics about the activity of the server, I saw around 80 players vote on the Poll started by chase, Players are willing to play back but they want to see their needs applied to game, They want to feel that HQ are working to satisfy their needs.

i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.

[Lazar.]

Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?
Even if its retarded statement for you , it might be worthy trust me

The scripters will lose lots of valuable time to set it up... Also ... have you even played in rs4? Were you here? Stop shitting at everyone dude..

cmon dude dont you really remember to your old _Evans family with a very small HQ on the El quebrados hills? Tom&Kostas Evans. i think this would help you to belive the fact that i played rs4 , much love my old friend 

[youoo]

i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.

What do you love about RS4?

[Stivi]

Bro , what if we give a try with rs4? will we lose something?

Yes, time, money, developers, and players. Then the situation will get even more toxic if/when RS4 fails and I will be the first one to publicly criticize you and call you an idiot and even demand that you are once and for all community banned. And if RS4 is somehow not a failure you'll be like "I TOLD YOU ALL SO! IDIOTS!" and it will still be toxic.


Imo, there's a lot at stake here, the server is dead and the players have little faith on the HQ, one wrong move and this is gone, to shit. I mean for me, it went to shit when Nathan posted that topic, but whatever, what do I know, I barely play here...

@Stivi yes, u r right. If someone abuses it, things get complex. I can only say though that we keep it simple and use the rod when some spoilt person tries to mess things up.

Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the people supporting RS4 (btw I'm all up for a week of RS4, no doubt, but never to see it as something longer and official, absolutely not.) in this topic have not played RS5. Maybe they play now, maybe they popped by back then, but at no point were they following the development of the server whatsoever. And to address your concerns, what is a complex script to you? What is a complex rule? Don't ask anyone about the rules, go read them and tell them to shove all those words up their asses. I can list admins and managers that have not the slightest idea of how some rules work because they don't know how the situation developed so that we had rules/scripts introduced, they know jack shit. Don't listen to them, go read them yourself, it's that simple. Btw a player compiled the rules list, HQ is just editing the post.

People also wanted blips removed, /area removed, certain metagaming elements are still there, a huge chunk of Argonath is still there, common sense isn't sadly.

A developer said "what's a complex script" and I don't see anyone telling him this and that. I wish you all remembered how it was back when we had pickpocket, wallets, cards, atm limits, 8 commands to buy a card, 12 for a wallet and 18 steps to put a card in a wallet. We spoke against it, it got changed.

[Lazar.]

i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.

What do you love about RS4?

everything that we dont have in rs6

[Stivi]

i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.

What do you love about RS4?

everything that we dont have in rs6

Such as? Hotel storage? Jetpack? Combat Shotgun(Coming soon)? Or is it the annoying "GIVEN UP DO NOT SHOOT" text over a player's head ( that bugged most of the time)?

[Lazar.]

i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.

What do you love about RS4?

everything that we dont have in rs6

Such as? Hotel storage? Jetpack? Combat Shotgun(Coming soon)? Or is it the annoying "GIVEN UP DO NOT SHOOT" text over a player's head ( that bugged most of the time)?

sorry but i dont know why are you starting discussions over here when you barely play this .

why not to give it a damn try ? that will cost nothing

[Stivi]

i am ready to start from -1milion just to see rs4 is getting on track again, i love it, not just me, more than half players would love to see rs4 back once again.

What do you love about RS4?

everything that we dont have in rs6

Such as? Hotel storage? Jetpack? Combat Shotgun(Coming soon)? Or is it the annoying "GIVEN UP DO NOT SHOOT" text over a player's head ( that bugged most of the time)?

sorry but i dont know why are you starting discussions over here when you barely play this .

why not to give it a damn try ? that will cost nothing

I answered that in the replies above, but you choose to ignore them and instead keep preaching RS4 without using any bit of logic.

[Sawyer]

Stop believing that the issue of the SA:MP community is the scripts. Stop believing that additional scripts will change the current stale enviroment.

As Nathan nicely said once - "Stop putting lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig."

[Acika]

Stivi baby, have you been drinking lately? What's up with you and your toxicity chat. Toxicity was driving the whole bus, discussions, arguments, in game, forums, it's a competition, who outplays who, as long as you dont flame someone it's all good. That's why it was so alive, something was always going on.

Imo, there's a lot at stake here, the server is dead and the players have little faith on the HQ, one wrong move and this is gone, to shit. I mean for me, it went to shit when Nathan posted that topic, but whatever, what

It went to shit in 2012 and it was a mess ever since. It took 7 years, 7 years, for load/store script, zillion small fixes, balance changes and after 7 years the script (apart from it being complex and annoying) is complete and playable. So there's absolutely nothing at stake.

Noone is forcing you to play RS4, it's a separate server and you're more than welcome to play with zero players on the offical one. We just want to have some good old fun for one last time.


Those 7 years should have been spent creating a program to transfer flat files to MySQL. Now we would have a RS4 server with super sonic speed. But i'll take what i can get.

[Stivi]

Stivi baby, have you been drinking lately?

I can't say that I haven't. Quite a lot actually.

What's up with you and your toxicity chat. Toxicity was driving the whole bus, discussions, arguments, in game, forums, it's a competition, who outplays who, as long as you dont flame someone it's all good. That's why it was so alive, something was always going on.

I don't even give a fuck about toxicity, I'm toxic myself, the problem is exactly that, it turns to flaming. I don't play because if I do someone will be like "hurr durr this and that". A recent example, I kept getting shit by most of SAPD for "refusing to RP" because of a temp ban that got revoked. Not a single living soul came to me and said that behavior isn't okay and the player will be dealt with, but instead, I was "butthurt over the internet" or whatever they tell themselves to sleep better at night. And because of this sort of behavior, I won't play unless certain people aren't IG, or if I see the people I play with IG.  None of that has happened.

It went to shit in 2012 and it was a mess ever since. It took 7 years, 7 years, for load/store script, zillion small fixes, balance changes and after 7 years the script (apart from it being complex and annoying) is complete and playable. So there's absolutely nothing at stake.

Noone is forcing you to play RS4, it's a separate server and you're more than welcome to play with zero players on the offical one. We just want to have some good old fun for one last time.

Well yes it did go to shit then, but then again it was the players asking for RS5, no? So if we go back, then what's the fucking point? At least here we get some sort of development, and the script can be worked on by other devs, except FredericK, too. Oops.

Don't get me wrong, I would certainly play RS4 over RS5 for the limited amount of time I get to play games during a day, but if I go IG and have to deal with a bunch of fucking clowns, I won't do that. And I think that's the majority of the players, just look at Discord, everyone is playing a different game and not SA:MP.  But that good old fun is over, a lot of players from RS4 are gone, they aren't even on the forums. So I don't think it will work the same way. I still have my _Luciano on that database, I'm all up for some fun, but it comes to an end and then we'll have two servers with 0 players. We can't revert back to 7 years ago, we'd have to use the rules we have now and the staff we have now. The staff alone is a reason I won't be enjoying RS4 lol

[Acika]

Stivi baby, have you been drinking lately?

I can't say that I haven't. Quite a lot actually.

What's up with you and your toxicity chat. Toxicity was driving the whole bus, discussions, arguments, in game, forums, it's a competition, who outplays who, as long as you dont flame someone it's all good. That's why it was so alive, something was always going on.

I don't even give a fuck about toxicity, I'm toxic myself, the problem is exactly that, it turns to flaming. I don't play because if I do someone will be like "hurr durr this and that". A recent example, I kept getting shit by most of SAPD for "refusing to RP" because of a temp ban that got revoked. Not a single living soul came to me and said that behavior isn't okay and the player will be dealt with, but instead, I was "butthurt over the internet" or whatever they tell themselves to sleep better at night. And because of this sort of behavior, I won't play unless certain people aren't IG, or if I see the people I play with IG.  None of that has happened.

It went to shit in 2012 and it was a mess ever since. It took 7 years, 7 years, for load/store script, zillion small fixes, balance changes and after 7 years the script (apart from it being complex and annoying) is complete and playable. So there's absolutely nothing at stake.

Noone is forcing you to play RS4, it's a separate server and you're more than welcome to play with zero players on the offical one. We just want to have some good old fun for one last time.

Well yes it did go to shit then, but then again it was the players asking for RS5, no? So if we go back, then what's the fucking point? At least here we get some sort of development, and the script can be worked on by other devs, except FredericK, too. Oops.

Don't get me wrong, I would certainly play RS4 over RS5 for the limited amount of time I get to play games during a day, but if I go IG and have to deal with a bunch of fucking clowns, I won't do that. And I think that's the majority of the players, just look at Discord, everyone is playing a different game and not SA:MP.  But that good old fun is over, a lot of players from RS4 are gone, they aren't even on the forums. So I don't think it will work the same way. I still have my _Luciano on that database, I'm all up for some fun, but it comes to an end and then we'll have two servers with 0 players. We can't revert back to 7 years ago, we'd have to use the rules we have now and the staff we have now. The staff alone is a reason I won't be enjoying RS4 lol

There are no new rules since RS4. It's just some random made up shit that certain people forced onto certain people. I know atleast one/two that were invented to target me, one even dating back to RS4, it was even a thing back then. Every admin ever has had different view on every made up rule ever, some didnt even know they were made up just yesterday and they were always double standard.
I mean you can put double standard in server's name after all those years, but we have learnt to live with it. Just embrace it.

But it's not about admins, nor about the rules. A bot that can kick anyone that's hacking, glitching or spamming/flaming the chat will do.

People asked for RS5, not a full restart, not new made up rules, not annoying systems, not something that will take 7 years to complete. Either deliver good, finished, working product on the spot or stick to the one that's doing an amazing job already.

Toxicity turns into flaming when the side that starts flaming is desperate, has no come back or got straight up beat. I really enjoyed that, i really enjoyed ruining other people's childhoods.

[Sawyer]

but it comes to an end and then we'll have two servers with 0 players.

So I guess that one server with 0 players is somewhat better than two? I cannot seem to even find a tiny bit of logic in this sentence.

[Cutt3r]

IC/OOC isn't forced on anybody, it was purely added as an experimental method as people wanted it.

Exactly sir.  Why? Hq could definitely listen to people but based on the vision (not telling u how to run the show).

@Stivi yes, u r right. If someone abuses it, things get complex. I can only say though that we keep it simple and use the rod when some spoilt person tries to mess things up.

Oh please.. The vision is severely outdated if we wanted the server to die out years ago we would've stuck to every word of the vision.

If we cannot keep it simple and stick to the vision, there is no point being here. If I wanted complex rp, advanced scripts or a team which can't keep to the vision I would have well chosen another server by now. I have tried to make my point enough however you all may have various reasons to not agree to it.  And I respect that

All the best!