Clearing up the RS4 situation

[Skecis]

Vast majority of the community wants this. It was clear in the poll.
Yet your argonath fucking bullshit never stops. RS6 sucks balls and we all hate it. Too bad u spent hours making something we hate.

Bring RS4 in the summer vacations god damnit. You're ruining this opportunity cause of your ego

Maybe a lot of people would like to play rs4 again a bit, but very little people i have heard that hate rs6.
So speak for yourself, not the whole community.

I know i am in minority but i waaay better prefer RS6 over RS4 any day.

EDIT:

I am not against having RS4 server to play for memories, but not in a long term, maybe just to check it out for few hours..

[TheLegitHabibi]

Oh uve not heard of people who hate RS6? U know why? Cause they all fucking left. That's why.

[Skecis]

Oh uve not heard of people who hate RS6? U know why? Cause they all fucking left. That's why.

Well tbh most of them left not because RS6 would have been bad or anything, but because they lost their stuff in acc wipe.
Anyway - im off of this conversation and topic as its pointless in my option. Do what you want, open rs4 if you needed, but let me enjoy and play rs6.

[Chase]

Playing devil's advocate here but it would be fun as hell to play on the original PEN1 script.. (I know it's never gonna happen, but it's what brought me to Argonath 12 years ago...)

I thought I was the only one who remembered the PEN1-based RS1/RS2 scripts. It makes me feel old, real old.

[Darxez]

I've been gazing over this for a while now, and I do not believe RS4 is the solution. Yes, it was a great base of a server due it's simplicity, but the script itself was broken and most off all, unstable. And most of those 150-200 people online have moved along, or have a day to day job, an own company or perhaps a family.

While I have left Argonath over a year ago, I still hold memories dire of the moments I've shared here, especially in the SAPD (fyi, I'm banned due one of the packages installed on the SAPD forums, triggering my PC as a source of spam, while it's brand new, never spammed ). Not only has it improved my English a ton, it's given me friends I still talk with today. It's more then a server, it's about people, community. Argonath has made me partly who I am, as crap as that might be sometimes for those who have seen my darker side.

As much as I'd like to return to Argonath however, I see no reason to do so. Yes, the scripts are amazing and top edge, yet... The community isn't there and I have the feeling that communication is not fully transparant on both sides, from what I last saw.
Plenty of ideas and opinions were given during the last ARUN meeting, for instance.. Yet, no Division Leader was at said meeting. Neither did I have the impression much care were given to the logs, as ARUN was dismantled soon after.

I think if Argonath wishes to regain members, and win more... You'd be needed to open up fully to those who wish to care, and perhaps even have a chat with members who have left, as in their reason why. My PM and Discord is always open for discussion @Nathan if you desire so. I have had no PM regarding any form I could fill in, to give my opinion for instance... I know there was a post, but a PM goes directly to ones' E-mail, todays letter .

I want to applaud everyone's effort though  , I respect it a lot and believe the Developers earn more respect then what they are currently getting.

RS4 is not the solution. Don't look back, but forwards. To a future, as grim as it might be.

Playing devil's advocate here but it would be fun as hell to play on the original PEN1 script.. (I know it's never gonna happen, but it's what brought me to Argonath 12 years ago...)

I thought I was the only one who remembered the PEN1-based RS1/RS2 scripts. It makes me feel old, real old.

Fits the avatar, Chase.

[Nathan]

Thanks for the response @Darxez.

After further examination, I wanted to provide an update to everyone here. I don't think the future of Argonath is anymore in going back two steps (back to RS4). I don't think anymore that the future is in three servers either. I now believe the future of SA:MP is in one server and one community who wants to grow, not shit on the progress made.

Through this whole experiment, I learned one thing: communication is key.

I worked with HQ and I want to essentially provide a feedback form on staff and HQ in general. This will help us analyze and fix the issue of "HQ" that most people keep pointing to. Keep a lookout for a survey coming out shortly.

[Volcom]

RS4 script was a mess, who made the rs4 so good were the players who used to log in and have fun with each other.

Argonath went down due the crisis between players vs players bullshit, the nonsense discussions, the shitty wars and excuses to dm your "enemies" ruined the gameplay of who used to have fun with their friends around the place.

Playerbase were too much worried about money and properties and missed somethings, when players started to have fun destroying the gameplay of each others it was the end of the PB of Argonath.

So bringing back rs4 its not the solution for the problems, bringing rs4 back it's throwing sand to new players eyes, destroying the hopes of who kept listening about RS4 stories and moments.
 
It's a lot better to keep rs4 in the past and from time to time ear some stories and moments of those times.
You can bring rs4 back, but you will not be capable to bring the admin team of rs4 back to the game neither the most active players during the RS4, so all you can do is remember RS4.

[Kowalski.]

This reply is what I was waiting for.

[Thom]

RS4 script was a mess, who made the rs4 so good were the players who used to log in and have fun with each other.
 
So bringing back rs4 its not the solution for the problems, bringing rs4 back it's throwing sand to new players eyes, destroying the hopes of who kept listening about RS4 stories and moments.

Well said. Pretty much sums it up

[Stivi]

I worked with HQ and I want to essentially provide a feedback form on staff and HQ in general. This will help us analyze and fix the issue of "HQ" that most people keep pointing to. Keep a lookout for a survey coming out shortly.

Another survey, great. Next time we should make a survey but call it "feedback" and let people express themselves instead of questions about certain things.

What "HQ" should do is resign if they aren't capable of handling their duties, being role models and have the respect of the community. Not just HQ, any staff member. I remember a certain admin punishing people and after being told he was wrong he kept calling said people DMers and whatever the fuck he said when throwing a tantrum. As much hilarious as it was making fun of him, that's not something the players should see. When we see and repeat the same behavior, and are punished for it, players are left unpleased.

It's even more stupid that these things are overlooked. And that's why the server will die, you all fail to admit when (not if) you're wrong.

[MikeC]

RS4 script was a mess, who made the rs4 so good were the players who used to log in and have fun with each other.

Argonath went down due the crisis between players vs players bullshit, the nonsense discussions, the shitty wars and excuses to dm your "enemies" ruined the gameplay of who used to have fun with their friends around the place.

Playerbase were too much worried about money and properties and missed somethings, when players started to have fun destroying the gameplay of each others it was the end of the PB of Argonath.

So bringing back rs4 its not the solution for the problems, bringing rs4 back it's throwing sand to new players eyes, destroying the hopes of who kept listening about RS4 stories and moments.
 
It's a lot better to keep rs4 in the past and from time to time ear some stories and moments of those times.
You can bring rs4 back, but you will not be capable to bring the admin team of rs4 back to the game neither the most active players during the RS4, so all you can do is remember RS4.

I 100% agree, RS4 is not the solution. Every one I've met and talked about RS4 with only seemed to say good things about the playerbase, but I don't think that those players who left, will come back..

[TheLegitHabibi]

Aight. Since management did the same thing again. Not listened to what the majority wanted because a few people with ranks feel different.

Good luck with the server.

I hope everyone enjoys the amazing new scripts with 3 players online.

[Nathan]

Aight. Since management did the same thing again. Not listened to what the majority wanted because a few people with ranks feel different.

Good luck with the server.

I hope everyone enjoys the amazing new scripts with 3 players online.

What do the players want?

[Kowalski.]

Aight. Since management did the same thing again. Not listened to what the majority wanted because a few people with ranks feel different.

Good luck with the server.

I hope everyone enjoys the amazing new scripts with 3 players online.

Are you for real still crying over RS4? Quit getting hung up over the past, especially when players themselves such as @Volcom have presented valid arguments to RS4.

Your mentality that HQ don't listen is bullshit. If you still have nothing left aside from "BRING BACK RS4 DO IT ALREADY WHEN" then just don't bother posting, it's not helping anyone.

[Stivi]

I want you to apologise and resign from your duties. After that, I would love it if you were still active on the server, we need some active players.