[PERM DENIAL]Nathan banned by Marshall_Kings

[Nathan]

Your in-game name:
Nathan

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Bug abusing to cheat money

Admin who banned you:
Marshall_Kings

When you were banned:
Today / November 21

Additional notes:
I've had over 300+ vehicle vouchers that I legally received through RewardCrates from donating to the community when Andeey / Teddy were in HQ.

These RewardCrates were given in exchange for donating over $500+ USD to Teddy for developing SA:MP in 2018-2019. They were legally obtained.

Opening each of these crates, I received a handful of vehicle vouchers.The vouchers allow you to exchange for a vehicle up to $80k.

I purchased vehicles and then sold to earn a profit of $42k. Repeating this process, I manage to make over $15m legally.

I don't see any wrong doing on my part. I was not part of the reset discussion and was forced (as everyone else was) to $10k. This was my legal method of getting back to a somewhat previous state and start building up my RP empire.

My intention of coming back to the community was to bring positivity (not toxicity or trolling) and some activity. Instead, I am being actively witch hunted. This is not how you build and restore a community, this is how you destroy it. Focus on what actual matters instead of actively looking to get rid of everyone who is trying to make this server work.

[Nathan]

Attaching screenshots of proof, hiding only the name to protect real life identity:

[Kessu]

Tomato seeds.

Couldn't fill more than one in a bag with all the millions you had in them?

• Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.

[Nathan]

Tomato seeds.

Couldn't fill more than one in a bag with all the millions you had in them?

• Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.

Please remove yourself from this conversation. I want my case to be handled by someone with an unbiased opinion only.

[Kessu]

Tomato seeds.

Couldn't fill more than one in a bag with all the millions you had in them?

• Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.

Please remove yourself from this conversation. I want my case to be handled by someone with an unbiased opinion only.

Can confirm, discord logs are true.

Also, tomato seeds?

[WDoyle]

Please remove yourself from this conversation. I want my case to be handled by an unbiased opinion only.

Loose the attitude especially in an unban request.

First of all lets review the rules to be sure we know why you have been banned. The current rules are featured: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=100219.0

Exploiting the script in any way that is unintended by the developers that gives you an advantage or using a bug or glitch in any way that gives you an advantage. Any deliberate action that gives you an unfair advantage over another player or group of players that was not intended by the developers is cheating.

So this is a perfectly valid reason to ban you as you clearly stated the abuse here:

I purchased vehicles and then sold to earn a profit of $42k. Repeating this process, I manage to make over $15m legally.

You also admit that your account was reset to $10k but you wanted to get an advantage. You had exchanged 425 vouchers and 13 left so your abuse was unfinished. Can you explain the tomato seed purchases? This seems like an attempt to hide your actions in the logs (But was still discovered by KHM, Brian and Kessu)

I was not part of the reset discussion and was forced (as everyone else was) to $10k

Secondly your donations have no ingame value - this is a statement in the rules and under pinned by @Gandalf. This means you have no right to ingame cash based on external donations and contributions to the community.

Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.

Based on your previous unban being so recent and being approved by @Aragorn - I think it is down to him to work out whether your Unban Request will be approved.

He will need to consider you were only unbanned on the 6th of November and within 2 weeks you have already abused the scripts for your own advantage and you openly admit it in your forum unban request.

Pending Aragorn review

Do not chase any owners or community leaders regarding this unban request - this will be dealt with when they get a chance to review it. (This is final)

[Nathan]

So you admit that there was an active witch hunt by two unhappy CLs (one who has no part in SA:MP)? Let's call this what it is. CLs unhappy that I was unbanned and looking for any reason whatsoever to get rid of me. Even with my changed attitude and strive to bring positivity, this seems a bit far fetched, don't you think?

[Nathan]

And to take it a step further, you yourself @Haldir, are actively monitoring my posts and anything I bring it just to make sure I don't bring in toxicity.

[Nathan]

Let's be 100% clear, I made my every intention to show that my return is only for positive change and to not be involved in my old politics.

[Nathan]

Lastly, here is my conversation with Aragorn.

[WDoyle]

Nathan - posting screenshots from Aragorn is not a good idea - let me assure you!

Please read the comment at: 3:50PM from Aragorn who states this is your last chance. Why would you accuse me and others of witch hunting you? Even Aragorn said in his post you are under watch and YOU AGREED TO IT!

[Nathan]

Nathan - posting screenshots from Aragorn is not a good idea - let me assure you!

Please read the comment at: 3:50PM from Aragorn who states this is your last chance. Why would you accuse me and others of witch hunting you? Even Aragorn said in his post you are under watch and YOU AGREED TO IT!

I'm bringing everything up for full context. It's only fair for my defense. How can I bring up a fair defense without providing context?

[Nathan]

Please remove yourself from this conversation. I want my case to be handled by an unbiased opinion only.


Loose the attitude especially in an unban request.

Kessu has a vendetta against me for some unknown reason. See Discord log where he literally called me shit stain when I tried to approach him professionally. He should not have the ability to respond when he is already biased against me and anything I do.

First of all lets review the rules to be sure we know why you have been banned. The current rules are featured: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=100219.0

Exploiting the script in any way that is unintended by the developers that gives you an advantage or using a bug or glitch in any way that gives you an advantage. Any deliberate action that gives you an unfair advantage over another player or group of players that was not intended by the developers is cheating.

So this is a perfectly valid reason to ban you as you clearly stated the abuse here:

I purchased vehicles and then sold to earn a profit of $42k. Repeating this process, I manage to make over $15m legally.

Can you please explain to me the reason why RewardCrates were introduced then? It seems to go against this very rule.

There are other examples of rules that are on paper but are not being followed through on.

You also admit that your account was reset to $10k but you wanted to get an advantage. You had exchanged 425 vouchers and 13 left so your abuse was unfinished. Can you explain the tomato seed purchases? This seems like an attempt to hide your actions in the logs (But was still discovered by KHM, Brian and Kessu)

I was not part of the reset discussion and was forced (as everyone else was) to $10k

See again, do to you (the team) not having full context and by not asking me before banning, or investigating, you pulled the trigger too early.

I was right in the middle of making a topic for a SA:MP business - a venture fund based on real estate investment. As part of that, my RP goal was to pump up the numbers of profit for businesses (that I own) and then sell them at a higher value. As part of this, I was trying to see how long it would take to get to some reasonable profit numbers.

Also, since you checked the logs, did you notice how I was checking profit for almost two hours last night? This is the exact reason why I was doing what I was doing. Not looking to flood the logs or whatever you're trying to accuse me of.

Secondly your donations have no ingame value - this is a statement in the rules and under pinned by @Gandalf. This means you have no right to ingame cash based on external donations and contributions to the community.

Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.

Then please explain how why there was introduction to RewardCrates and past HQ members who allowed this behavior? If you know any mechanics on the RewardCrates, you would know that they give random stuff at random orders. I got a ton of "useless" stuff and a little bit of cash.



Again. I feel personally attacked and witch hunted. I used what I legally received for my advantage legally. Had I done something more evil, like exploit an actual bug or something similar, then the ban is justified.

If we're being honest, it seems like this is vendetta against me being unbanned by Aragorn instead of going through the channel where I was told no for several months (over 9 months).

I originally was banned in March 2020 for trolling. I was told by SEVERAL members to wait several months in order to be considered to be unbanned. I did. I waited it out. Fair and square.

When I waited out the time, I reached out and started to have conversations with Khm, KJ, Brian, and others. Every time, I was told no for various reasons. At the end, it dawned on me that there were TWO (now potentially three) CLs who really don't want me back on the server without providing CLEAR reasons on why.

I understand that I get emotional but I also believe I am being treated unfair and unjust. That's why I went directly to Aragorn instead.

If I didn't care about this community, I would have left it by now and gone on to do better things. But I do care about this community and I did try to revive it back to it's former glory days. But any time I tried to do something "too extreme", it was always pushed against and I was told to sit in line and wait.  Understand that my intention is clear - I WANT TO MAKE ARGONATH GREAT AGAIN. Nothing else.

I don't give a crap about rights or anything else. I want to bring up the community again.



At the moment, this ban feels like a grasp at straws. I had (now I know) 425 vehicle vouchers which I legally obtained through RewardCrates. I sold the vehicles gained from said vouchers. I used the system as it was built and intended.

[Nathan]

If you want to ignore everything I posted above, please just read this piece.

I want to make one thing perfectly clear: I honestly do have better things to do in real life but I spend my time here. This is the place where I retreat from my real life. 

My time is limited and I only use it on what I think is important to me. I spend my time on Argonath because it's important to me.

[Nathan]

I updated one post above but the rest is still appropriate.

Again, I feel the ban was unwarranted and at best, grasping at straws. I personally believe there is a conspiracy to get rid of me due to my polarizing (and rather open) views. I have no shame in calling out things as they are - bullshit. If you wanted to get rid of me, just tell me directly instead of going through this whole route of witch hunting ("reviewing logs everyday just to make sure everything is 'okay'").

Now, there were questions about the legality of these reward crates (Where did they come from?). Andeey introduced these in this thread: https://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=125447.195. (Took screenshots as well so that you don't remove this thread).

If you read it carefully, this was a welcomed change by many players. It meant the server could move forward. I then have donated slowly over $500+ USD for this cause. This resulted in these items being provided to me. With the money given, Teddy started to turn the server around. It's also an open secret but SEVERAL HQ members spawn money for themselves in the past. Devs also spawned money for various causes just to keep things going.

I used a system that existed for its intention. These items were not removed from my inventory - the same way how Khm was able to use his access to sell weed and make money to purchase a farm, a PnS, and other stuff rather quickly after the reset. As others have noted, some other players ALSO used similar methods (past existing items in their inventory) to gain some money back.

Now, if the issue is with the amount itself and that it could potentially fuck up the economy or somehow give me an advantage - this is a moot point. The economy is already fucked by default when you don't do a true "reset". But if you really don't like me having millions and yet rig the system in your favor by purchasing highly valued properties to make even more money, then that's hypocritical and proves my original point - grasping at straws to quickly get rid of me 2 weeks after I was just unbanned.

Thank you and I will be awaiting the results from @Aragorn.