[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[CharlieKasper]

Put the question to yourself,
1. What's the reason for your behavior of doing so? What causes you to help that guy who surly needs your help?
2. Are you here to roleplay or are you here to make the cops angry and ram?

1. He's my colleague and we are in the same group? Everything was done under the rules (unless helping has now become a rule break.)
2. Role play. I never mentioned anywhere that I rammed. Blocking of couse will make the police angry. So, shouldn't that be dealt with by suspecting me/verbally warning me and/or taking me into custody for possibly helping a criminal?

[CharlieKasper]

1. Are we allowed to engage in pursuits (as a civilian) to help our suspected friend (without shooting at the cops but getting the friend in the car and escaping)?
2. Are we allowed to engage in pursuits and help our suspected friend by blocking the path of the police (without drive-by-ing/shooting at them)?

I can't find the quote of Aragorn/Gandalf. That's why asked.

ps. no moaning, email sent. just confirming here.

Still need an answer.

[Toto]

It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...

2. Police is chasing some guy and suddenly appears a car with non-wanted civilian who started shooting them... Simply, cops can decide it is a deathmatcher/cophunter... Attack without a reason is not allowed... And this rule plays here not the best role... As for the criminal helper, so for admins who got reports and for sure will freeze you to get the reason of shooting cops...

How to help?
In this case (if you want to shoot cops back) the main target is to get wanted level... Get him into your car and try to get rid of chase... Cops will suspect you for aiding, then aub, your dream became be a reality...

With wanted level you are allowed to help any sort of criminals with any sort of help...

Why is such rule actually?

Well, you see blue nick of cop, you know he can shoot you if you are criminal... So do cops when see a wanted level of your nick... Both sides are equal and do not confuse each other, less misunderstanding, less reports to admins...

Here you go mate.

[Kirgiz]

Can I roleplay a vigilante?

If yes, explain the little nuances for it not to rule breaking.

If no, why?


Manager+ Response only.

[SugarD]

Can I roleplay a vigilante?

If yes, explain the little nuances for it not to rule breaking.

If no, why?


Manager+ Response only.

I know I'm not a SA:MP Manager, just a LU one, but you may wish to elaborate on that a bit more so they can give you a better response. What exactly do you mean when you say a vigilante? To kill people? Arrest them? Be as if you are a volunteer cop? Police duty or non-police?

[Kirgiz]

I know I'm not a SA:MP Manager, just a LU one, but you may wish to elaborate on that a bit more so they can give you a better response. What exactly do you mean when you say a vigilante? To kill people? Arrest them? Be as if you are a volunteer cop? Police duty or non-police?

Not a volunteer cop, more like just.... a vigilante. You find bad guys and you deal with them with your OWN vision on how to do it, being above the law if necessary, BUT in the end staying on the justice's side and avoiding confrontation with police if possible.

[Lamar Diasso]

Hi, this is just a question and absolutely NOT a complaint or a pounce on anyone.
For example, me and my buddy, we're standing by our house, and then I decide to knock my buddy because I just feel like it, then he'll do the same and then no one will say a word.
Is this classed as DM or not? Because we're both notified about it and we're both on it. I've seen lots of admins doing stuffs like this. So that's why I'm asking.
If this is considered DM, is this really such a harsh rulebreak that people has to be kicked/warned officially? That's the question! Nothing else. 

[Gandalf]

Not a volunteer cop, more like just.... a vigilante. You find bad guys and you deal with them with your OWN vision on how to do it, being above the law if necessary, BUT in the end staying on the justice's side and avoiding confrontation with police if possible.

If you can do it without interfering with cops or getting wanted, go ahead.
But if you go to a hostage situation with a sniper (or white name and combat) and take out suspects, do not expect any get out of jail free when you turn yourself in (as a vigilante siding with justice would of course never get in a firefight with cops), and do not be surprised if you get punished by admins.
The monopoly of using lethal force against suspects lies with law enforcement, and those not part of it can only assist with special permission of an officer online and present at the situation.

[Gandalf]

Hi, this is just a question and absolutely NOT a complaint or a pounce on anyone.
For example, me and my buddy, we're standing by our house, and then I decide to knock my buddy because I just feel like it, then he'll do the same and then no one will say a word.
Is this classed as DM or not? Because we're both notified about it and we're both on it. I've seen lots of admins doing stuffs like this. So that's why I'm asking.
If this is considered DM, is this really such a harsh rulebreak that people has to be kicked/warned officially? That's the question! Nothing else. 

As mentioned in your topic, it is common for some low-lifes to kill their buddy in order to get a wanted level and cophunt. There for it will depend on what and where you are (Balla in Idlewood = bad, farmer in desert = good - not a valuation of the players but fact of where you run the chance of being watched) as well as how often admins notice you wanted and involved in violence.

[Kirgiz]

and do not be surprised if you get punished by admins.

So at any rate I will not be able to lawfully roleplay a vigilante and hunt down criminals unless I do it without weapons and interfering cops?

While I do understand that I actually commit homicide and I will not seek peaceful getaway from Law Enforcers, I will still get punished because I hunt orange dots as a white dot? Even if I do warn about it?

[Gandalf]

So at any rate I will not be able to lawfully roleplay a vigilante and hunt down criminals unless I do it without weapons and interfering cops?

While I do understand that I actually commit homicide and I will not seek peaceful getaway from Law Enforcers, I will still get punished because I hunt orange dots as a white dot? Even if I do warn about it?

Please read this again and see if this is what you meant to write.

[Kirgiz]

Please read this again and see if this is what you meant to write.

Yes.

[Gandalf]

So at any rate I will not be able to lawfully roleplay a vigilante and hunt down criminals unless I do it without weapons and interfering cops?

While I do understand that I actually commit homicide and I will not seek peaceful getaway from Law Enforcers, I will still get punished because I hunt orange dots as a white dot? Even if I do warn about it?

This shows that you are not interested in playing a vigilante, but in the ability to shoot all players, regardless of who they are. And that is classified as DM.

If you play a vigilante, you would want to stay away from cops and hunt those that cops do not wish to bother. As you wish to side with the law, should you become wanted (which with creativity could be avoided) you would give up straight instead of switching from orange to blue dots.

As you explained it, you wish to hunt orange dots and after that blue dots. That is not playing a vigilante, that is maximizing your targets.

[Kirgiz]

This shows that you are not interested in playing a vigilante, but in the ability to shoot all players, regardless of who they are. And that is classified as DM.

If you play a vigilante, you would want to stay away from cops and hunt those that cops do not wish to bother. As you wish to side with the law, should you become wanted (which with creativity could be avoided) you would give up straight instead of switching from orange to blue dots.

As you explained it, you wish to hunt orange dots and after that blue dots. That is not playing a vigilante, that is maximizing your targets.

Quite a misunderstanding. Vigilante is not a vigilante when he goes against cops. I have no idea or any conception on where you thought that I would want to switch to blue dots?

But I guess I understand now.

[Mopreme]

Situation:
You are driving, normal and sunny day and you are heading to an important meeting. Out of a sudden, a person crashes into you. He highjacks your vehicle and explodes it. So, you're on foot now and got nowhere to go. Before you even get to do anything, that person start shooting at you. There are only one admin online at that time who are busy with other reports. You have shitloads of weapons on you, M4, Deagle, Shotgun, MP5, everything and you have even bought full armor. Examples of how to react:

- Shoot back and kill him.
- /Q to avoid loosing your equipment (abuse, I know)
- Stand still and pray for Sauron to hear you.
- Bunnyjump away so it'll be harder to kill you.

Remember, you were heading to an important meeting before you ran into him. What would you do?