[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[SugarD]

Yeah, using non-lethal force after warning is allowed so is using it until the suspect co-operates

Not necessarily. You still have to give them a chance to comply first. If they don't, then you can use the lesser lethal force via a nightstick. If you just straight-up attack after warning, then it's seen as deathmatching because they don't even get a chance to react.

As for pepper spray, no. It's meant to disable suspects temporarily. It is not meant to be used as a weapon to kill them. That is a common mistake people keep making.

[[WS]Jacob]

Not necessarily. You still have to give them a chance to comply first. If they don't, then you can use the lesser lethal force via a nightstick. If you just straight-up attack after warning, then it's seen as deathmatching because they don't even get a chance to react.

Or give them a thump. Officers seem to forget we also have the ability to use no weapons and just fists but I recommend that you RP punching the person and not just keep hitting them until they die.

[SugarD]

Or give them a thump. Officers seem to forget we also have the ability to use no weapons and just fists but I recommend that you RP punching the person and not just keep hitting them until they die.

Yes, you can use fists as an alternative to the nightstick, but you still have to give them a chance to comply after the warning, as I mentioned before.

[Antonio.]

This is exactly what happened with me:

A player was suspected in front of LSPD for not complying(he was not really new) and with the aid of another officer, we both told him to give up multiple times. After the multiple warnings, he started running around after I had just punched him and then told him to give up again. From there, I started punching him and the other officer used the nightstick and started getting his health down to try to make him /gu. While he was at like 20 percent HP he still didn't give up, so we killed him with fists and nightstick. After that, I got cop-banned for five days for "death matching".

[SugarD]

This is exactly what happened with me:

A player was suspected in front of LSPD for not complying(he was not really new) and with the aid of another officer, we both told him to give up multiple times. After the multiple warnings, he started running around after I had just punched him and then told him to give up again. From there, I started punching him and the other officer used the nightstick and started getting his health down to try to make him /gu. While he was at like 20 percent HP he still didn't give up, so we killed him with fists and nightstick. After that, I got cop-banned for five days for "death matching".

Whoever copbanned you needs to review the situation again then. If what you said is how it happened, you did absolutely nothing wrong. I would suggest submitting a report to the appropriate location in regards to whoever issued the copban.

[Antonio.]

Whoever copbanned you needs to review the situation again then. If what you said is how it happened, you did absolutely nothing wrong. I would suggest submitting a report to the appropriate location in regards to whoever issued the copban.

The reply that I got was that "I am never allowed to kill an idle suspect whether it's with a gun or a nightstick and that I should keep asking the suspect to /gu until he or she does so."

[SugarD]

The reply that I got was that "I am never allowed to kill an idle suspect whether it's with a gun or a nightstick and that I should keep asking the suspect to /gu until he or she does so."

Whoever told you that needs to be retrained then.

[Mario_Rinna]

The reply that I got was that "I am never allowed to kill an idle suspect whether it's with a gun or a nightstick and that I should keep asking the suspect to /gu until he or she does so."

That is wrong; this is giving a suspect possibility to never give up. If this was allowed, a suspect would be allowed to never give up and be pretty much untouchable. Lol.

[Antonio.]

And purposely do that to get the other player punished. After calling the person that told me this "an idiot", I got banned...

[SugarD]

And purposely do that to get the other player punished. After calling the person that told me this "an idiot", I got banned...

Although you shouldn't have flamed him, you weren't in the wrong prior to this situation. If it was an admin, I'd suggest sending in an email to samp@argonathrpg.com explaining the entire situation. If it was a cop, shoot it over to the SA:MP SAPD section of ARPD Forums. Both areas will have multiple people reading it, so even if the person who copbanned you is able to see it, they won't be able to cover it up.

[Teddy]

This is exactly what happened with me:

A player was suspected in front of LSPD for not complying(he was not really new) and with the aid of another officer, we both told him to give up multiple times. After the multiple warnings, he started running around after I had just punched him and then told him to give up again. From there, I started punching him and the other officer used the nightstick and started getting his health down to try to make him /gu. While he was at like 20 percent HP he still didn't give up, so we killed him with fists and nightstick. After that, I got cop-banned for five days for "death matching".

Invalid.  I'll uncopban if your still banned in-game. Report the officer in the respective area, and also recommend them a refresher course. Non-lethal solutions will be lethal eventually... if there is no compliance and it was done with melee then its fine. Not to mention the reason is not valid "deathmatching"... if anything "Abuse of duty weapons".... and 5 days? A bit over the top.

[Pingster]

Situation: A cop is driving the cop bike, DBing from it (as driver). Permitted or not?

As it's the only bike the scripts actually permit to DB from, and no one's ever had any issues with that, I always assumed it was permitted, however I saw some apunishment(s) for doing that, so was wondering.

[Brian]

Situation: A cop is driving the cop bike, DBing from it (as driver). Permitted or not?

As it's the only bike the scripts actually permit to DB from, and no one's ever had any issues with that, I always assumed it was permitted, however I saw some apunishment(s) for doing that, so was wondering.

You are not allowed to DB as driver on people on foot, as it is kind a auto aim. You are allowed to shoot suspects in any vehicle with it (unless SAPD/FBI)
AFAIK there are no other restrictions.

[SugarD]

You are not allowed to DB as driver on people on foot, as it is kind a auto aim. You are allowed to shoot suspects in any vehicle with it (unless SAPD/FBI)
AFAIK there are no other restrictions.

I believe SA:MP SAPD has some rules regarding this, but you would have to check their forum section of ARPD Forums to find out what they are specifically.

[Teddy]

Situation: A cop is driving the cop bike, DBing from it (as driver). Permitted or not?

As it's the only bike the scripts actually permit to DB from, and no one's ever had any issues with that, I always assumed it was permitted, however I saw some apunishment(s) for doing that, so was wondering.

On Foot: Not Allowed.
In Car/Bike: Allowed.