[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Gandalf]

Yeah, thats why I am asking. I told a cop that his procedure was wrong (was actually an admin) and he warned me, or kicked me whatever, I forget, for moaning. thats not even moaning!

Who are you to tell a cop his procedure is wrong, and what exactly was wrong with it ?

[Whiteman]

would you argue with an admin ?

Yes.

[EminemRulez]

Just to clarify, can you get banned for flaming a community member in a out-of-game chatting software, as for example, MSN? What if we swap "community member" for "admin"?

Example:
Player1 flames Player2 on MSN, nothing happens cos thats not even related to Argonath...
Player1 flames Admin1 on MSN and gets banned.


Is that possible^?
Just curious

[Gandalf]

Just to clarify, can you get banned for flaming a community member in a out-of-game chatting software, as for example, MSN? What if we swap "community member" for "admin"?

Example:
Player1 flames Player2 on MSN, nothing happens cos thats not even related to Argonath...
Player1 flames Admin1 on MSN and gets banned.


Is that possible^?
Just curious

It depends on what and how it happens.
MSN is not a very reliable medium as logs and screenshot can be faked, there for we can not follow up every case of flaming and bullying through MSN.
However we do trust our admin team not to be liars, and if they give logs of being flamed, or being present when the leadership is flamed, that can result in a ban.
Would you rather that we stand by knowing people are flaming the admin team just because they feel their correct punishment was not correct ?

[EminemRulez]

Would you rather that we stand by knowing people are flaming the admin team just because they feel their correct punishment was not correct ?

Thank you for answering and I understand your point, but like said above, just curious

Regards.

[Jamal]

It depends on many things like time of day, number of present admins and if they happen to be reading the chat. The first thing is that it is up to the players to watch their language and behaviour. If you never flame or complain, you will never be punished.
If the server is generally calm, you might get away with more. If an admin has just mentioned in public chat to stop moaning, your first remark could lead to punishment. It that fair ? It is just as fair as when two guys cross the red light and only one is stopped by cops. Fair or not, you made the mistake you got to pay for it.
Why would you argue with an admin ?

For the first part; I guess that makes sense, thanks for answering.

Second; I didn't mean argue, I mean just a debate over something, and sometimes even the admin starts it. Like Player says to admin 'Why did you do that?' Admin responds, in a provoking manner, player responds in a provoking manner, and player is punished. Its unfair because the admin also provoked.

Who are you to tell a cop his procedure is wrong, and what exactly was wrong with it ?

I am a knowledged player. I know that a cop is NOT supposed to use lethal force on an unarmed, non evading suspect. I know a cop should usually, if not always, ask for /gu or Surrender before even harming suspect. So I will remind this officer that he is supposed to do these things. Just because i am not a cop does not mean I do not have a right to correct him, right?

I told this cop to, specifically ''Dude remember /gu next time, dont have to open fire as soon as you see me'' and I was warned/kicked for moaning... I do not see the moan in giving advice to someone. Just my 2 cents.

[Pandalink]

The admin in that case was probably one of the more command-happy ones, is all.

[Gandalf]

For the first part; I guess that makes sense, thanks for answering.

Second; I didn't mean argue, I mean just a debate over something, and sometimes even the admin starts it. Like Player says to admin 'Why did you do that?' Admin responds, in a provoking manner, player responds in a provoking manner, and player is punished. Its unfair because the admin also provoked.

It depends once again on what the topic is. If you are in a RP situation and you ask an admin a question, he should not bring the debate in to using his admin powers.
On the other hand admins do not have to explain their every action to every player who wishes to ask.
Asking them why they warned ot kicked someone could easily escalate, depending on the amount of time and patience the admin has. A standard reply from Aragorn would be: none of your business.

I am a knowledged player. I know that a cop is NOT supposed to use lethal force on an unarmed, non evading suspect. I know a cop should usually, if not always, ask for /gu or Surrender before even harming suspect. So I will remind this officer that he is supposed to do these things. Just because i am not a cop does not mean I do not have a right to correct him, right?

I told this cop to, specifically ''Dude remember /gu next time, dont have to open fire as soon as you see me'' and I was warned/kicked for moaning... I do not see the moan in giving advice to someone. Just my 2 cents.

If the suspect is not showing weapons, evading or otherwise threatening, you are correct.
But /gu itself is not a rule as suspects are allowed to surrender without /gu, and are bound to the same restrictions once doing so (not allowed to open fire or run).
But remember that anything you say can and will be used aganst you, and not only in court.
Many players think that just because they have no weapons they can flame and insult cops without retribution. Perhaps in the USA that is possible, but on Argonath cops use more the Russian style. This means you answer for your words, and verbal threats can be reason for violent reactions.

[Mikro]

Situation: Two civilians are at a place where they can grow weed. One is looking out, the other is growing. I stood there, watching at the graves, but kept an eye on the weedgrower. Once I saw the weed popping up, I showed my badge and asked the grower to come to me. He didn't took the weed yet. The one who was looking out, then took his can and ordered me to leave. I also took my gun and we had a fight. In the mean time the weedgrower took a car and drove away. The other criminal gave up and I hurried to catch up with the fleeing suspect.

I knew the direction and found his car not far away. He fleed to his HQ. I stood there in front of the HQ and asked for backup over the police radio. Then the surrendered criminal in the car told me I had 30 seconds to leave and cancel the backup. He got probably told over /cb to say that to me. I didn't listen to him and didn't move. After 30 seconds 4/5 non-suspects came out and aimed guns at me. The suspect was also with them. They said some things, and wanted me to uncuff the criminal and then go away. Just after that, they wanted to kidnap me or something.

Before they could kidnap me, there arrived backup. All the non-suspects directly started firing at the approaching cops, who couldn't even stop the car.

Question 1: Was the suspect allowed to run to his HQ, of which he knew his friend were there, and let his non-suspect friend protect him by threating, shooting, etc..?
Question 2: Were those non-suspects allowed to threat, aim and try to kidnap me (in defense of their suspect)?
Question 3: Were those non-suspects allowed to just start a gun fight and shoot at the cops who didn't even stopped their cars?


More general questions based on the above situation.

Question 1: Is a suspect allowed to flee to his HQ if he knows his (non-suspect) friends are there to protect him?
Question 2: If yes, how far they can go to protect their suspect friend?

Question 3: Were those non-suspect to exit the building and threat the cop outside to leave while there is a suspect inside (the suspect didn't went outside)?
Question 4: Are the non-suspect allowed to exit the building without the criminal and directly fire at the cop(s) if they don't leave in 5 seconds?
Question 5: Same as question 4, but then the suspect himself orders that and got supported by his weapon carrying non-suspect?


An other situation and question, closely related to the above situation.

Situation: A cop is aiming at a suspect and shouting he needs to surrender etc. A non-suspect approaches the cop from behind/the side/diagonally from the front and starts shooting at the cop with his combat shotgun if the distance between both is like 2 meters. The cop got totally no chance to suspect the non-suspect. The only thing he could do was turn around and see a non-suspect is firing at him. After the cops dead, the killer (who is now suspect) claims that he is in the same group as the other criminal with whom the cop was fighting and that he wanted to protect him.

Question 1: Isn't this covered by the "No direct firing to aid a criminal while being not involved in the situation (non-suspect)" rule? If yes, then the non-suspect could get banned for it?
Question 2: Was the non-suspect allowed to do it?
Question 3: Does it make a difference if the non-suspect was in the same group as the suspect?


That was it :razz:

[Romeo]

Well he's not exactly going to let you kill him if he has the option to have his friends defend him.
IRL if you had a ganghouse full of guys with guns you're not exactly going to surrender if there's a chance you can escape to them.

[Dutchy]

From my perspective, it's not allowed to aid random criminals, but it is allowed to aid your friends.

[Mikro]

But how far you can go in aiding a suspect.. 5 friends should not come and start shooting at 5 cops who are surrendering their friend. That is just stupid. The friends, who are totally clear and crime free, are going to kill 4 cops to save one friend who almost has no chance to survive the situation anymore.

[Dutchy]

Question: Is it allowed to use the Joypad control option and, or an Auto-aim MOD?
Ex: GTA San Andreas how to auto aim (PC)

[Hidduh]

Question: Is it allowed to use the Joypad control option and, or an Auto-aim MOD?
Ex: GTA San Andreas how to auto aim (PC)

Is it giving you an advantage? Yes.
Is it therefor allowed? No.

[Jamal]

It depends once again on what the topic is. If you are in a RP situation and you ask an admin a question, he should not bring the debate in to using his admin powers.
On the other hand admins do not have to explain their every action to every player who wishes to ask.
Asking them why they warned ot kicked someone could easily escalate, depending on the amount of time and patience the admin has. A standard reply from Aragorn would be: none of your business.

Okay thank you.  This is very important info and now that I know it things will be much easier to understand.

But how far you can go in aiding a suspect.. 5 friends should not come and start shooting at 5 cops who are surrendering their friend. That is just stupid. The friends, who are totally clear and crime free, are going to kill 4 cops to save one friend who almost has no chance to survive the situation anymore.

Whats the problem with the criminal receiving backup? In the situation the officer should have called for backup or more than what they already was, if they could not handle it. You should always be ready for surprises.

Lets flip the situation. Criminal is chasing a cop who just attempted to kill/subdue him but failed, and is very near death. the smartest thing for him to do is call for backup, right? So why can't the criminal?