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Reply #120 on: August 28, 2008, 06:21:32 pm
I agree... Nazi attack Russians. You defend yourself... then defeat them with USA, GB. all other i agree. But in one part im against "They did not attack your country". So how you explain this to all historics.Then who attack from east? Japannese

If they would make a war against Poland hardly Poland would exist as country... They were not fighting against Germans even, they were fighting against Nazi...
That Russian army was finishing the Nazi you call it "attack of Poland"... How you suppose they will finish them? Through Japan?

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Reply #121 on: August 28, 2008, 06:23:45 pm
Your quote is true Agent, Poland got attacked from the West by the nazis and from the East by the Soviets

Then you have no idea that Russians were fighting together with polish guys, and still respect the cooperation and Poland partisans... If there were those who were on Nazi side - it was their own fault...

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Reply #122 on: August 28, 2008, 06:27:09 pm
If they would make a war against Poland hardly Poland would exist as country... They were not fighting against Germans even, they were fighting against Nazi...
That Russian army was finishing the Nazi you call it "attack of Poland"... How you suppose they will finish them? Through Japan?


Ron the relationship of Poland and Russia, (if you see it from the II WW), should be like deathenemies..

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Reply #123 on: August 28, 2008, 06:31:17 pm
Ron the relationship of Poland and Russia, (if you see it from the II WW), should be like deathenemies..

This is what Poland wants to believe in... As I see... I never heard from Russians any deathenemies relations with Poland... Wanna say Poland supported Nazi in WW II?

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Reply #124 on: August 28, 2008, 06:34:20 pm
This is what Poland wants to believe in... As I see... I never heard from Russians any deathenemies relations with Poland... Wanna say Poland supported Nazi in WW II?

Hell no, why they should support em. They had enough problems to handle off...well, they couldnt do anything. West: Nazis, East: Russia...only thing to do: Capitualtion.

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Reply #125 on: August 28, 2008, 06:39:13 pm
Then you have no idea that Russians were fighting together with polish guys, and still respect the cooperation and Poland partisans... If there were those who were on Nazi side - it was their own fault...
Yes we were fighting together with them, after nazi made agresion on you... but gahhh. But im against your opinion about Soviet agresion.



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Reply #126 on: August 28, 2008, 06:41:36 pm
Hell no, why they should support em. They had enough problems to handle off...well, they couldn't do anything. West: Nazis, East: Russia...only thing to do: Capitulation.

I once again repeat: Russians were fighting Nazi and had nothing against Poland... But as the World War started from Germany they were moving their troops to Germany with battles...
I understand that all Europe can start screaming "Russia attacked us during WW II!!!" but actually it was NOT an attack of occupied countries... And as Nazi were in Poland - they got a fire on them and of cos not without wars on Polish streets...

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Reply #127 on: August 28, 2008, 06:43:20 pm
Yes we were fighting together with them, after nazi made agresion on you... but gahhh. But im against your opinion about Soviet agresion.

If there would be aggression against Poland then Russia as winner should get some lands at least... Which lands lost Poland during this "aggression"? Otherwise name me the reason Russia "attacked" Poland...

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Reply #128 on: August 28, 2008, 06:49:31 pm
Me, joining the army? Hell no sir.

I do not like the idea of taking someone else's life. I do not see anything beautiful or to be proud in that.

Want to be the pride of the nation? Take a sports/music career.

Some say that the human being is superior in comparison to the animals... But I have yet to see an animal killing each other just because they think they are better than others or because of other's natural resources. (I'm not accusing anyone btw)


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Reply #129 on: August 28, 2008, 06:59:39 pm
If there would be aggression against Poland then Russia as winner should get some lands at least... Which lands lost Poland during this "aggression"? Otherwise name me the reason Russia "attacked" Poland...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E2%80%931945)



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Reply #130 on: August 28, 2008, 07:00:08 pm
Lets take things from history, if that is what this is about.

The Soviet Union was concerned about the European situation, however the Western alliance did not allow them to take part in discussions. As a result the only way to ensure a form of stability was by negotiating with the other single force, Germany.
As a result the Mototov-Ribbentropf treaty was formed in which Germany and the Soviet Union agreed not to attack each other, even if under attack of another country.
In this treaty there was also agreement reached on where the sphere of influence of each nation would be.
Russia's area of influence would include the area's that they reluinquished after WWI, and were part of Poland in between.
When Germany decided to stretch it borders by attacking there was a clear chance that Germany would conwquer all of Poland, including areas that were assigned to the Soviets. As a result, the Soviet Union placed their troops on the former Russian territories of Poland, starting September 17, 1939.
From a Russian point of view, this was not invasion of another country, but taking control of the territories that were theirs before.
As this was managed in 2 days until they met in Brest, one can not even call this a war.

Russia in the same year started a campaign aganst Finland, to regain territories they lost prior. They did not intend or tried to take over the full country.
After the campaign in Finland, they found large Nazi-sympathies in the Baltic states, and in accordance with the treaty brought them undr Soviet control.

At the end of WWII, the states borders as defined in the treaty were reinstated, and new treaty was made to divide the sphere of influence of the Warschau=pact members and the NATO alliance.

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Reply #131 on: August 28, 2008, 07:06:17 pm
From a Russian point of view, this was not invasion of another country, but taking control of the territories that were theirs before.

At that time it was Polish territories. Marked with border of country.



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Reply #132 on: August 28, 2008, 07:12:05 pm
Gandalf,
at that time was also French-Britain-Russian Alliance confederation where they were discussing Russian troops moves THROUGH Poland...

Legolas,
Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was made with Stalin's Government... This georgian had a lot of ambitions as we all know... But once again, Russians had no actually a target to occupy Poland... They had a target to stop Nazi...

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Reply #133 on: August 28, 2008, 07:26:08 pm
My brother in law is in the military and i will never join the military.

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Reply #134 on: August 28, 2008, 07:33:51 pm
But I have yet to see an animal killing each other just because they think they are better than others or because of other's natural resources.

Almost every animal on the planet does that. Pack animals fight over territory, birds fight eachother for areas rich in food, even ants use biological warfare to wipe out other colonies. War is a natural instinct for all creatures.



 


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