From the eyes of a new player, freecop

[Matthew_Cipricla]

Ive seen freecops that dont know any better and make mistakes. Ive also seen them abuse for fun or when they are angry. And in the past 3 weeks I probroly saw about 5 non accidental abuses from freecops. So they arent as bad as what they are put out to be. But regular players just say they abuse to they dont have to deal with it. Since admins are more likely to punish a freecop then an ARPD member, since ARPD members have more experience and training and can be punished by their superiors (not like freecops).

[Frank_Hawk]

It’s imperative to support our peers in developing, constructing and embracing co-operative roleplays where all parties involved will be satisfied accordingly.

Legend has highlighted some significant points which should be flagged and raised as a community risk.

[Malcolm]

* Bianconeri thinks about what is said above

shaped by regulars, so to be exact you mean that all bad things of a freecop,
are brought to him by regulars,
so you are also saying rulebreakers/abusers dont exist,
since when they come they are great cops, but once they see a regular,
they turn into big mad beasts abusing all on there path?

I'm not sure I understand what the heck you are talking about.

We, regulars, shaped freecops. Gave freecops the image they've got today. Abusive, morons, dmers,  and what else you call them.
You don't stop to think about the freecops who are actually trying, just making mistakes. Only beacause he made a mistake, and happens to be a freecop, he's automatically the things I said above.
Kinda like the saying, "don't judge a book by it's cover". Only we are. This does not go out to all regular players of course.

And of course there's just abusive people, who happens to be the first stage cop "level", a freecop aswell, but you'd be surprised to realize how many is actually.. trying.

[SugarD]

Newb rulebreakers are generally users that think the server is a DM server, or that don't understand the rules.
It's the ***holes and hackers that usually come in trying to purposely cause chaos in the server.

And yes, those who are freecops that purposely break the rules, are the ones that fall into the category of ***holes.

[Mac_Gyver]

I have just came back to the server as I have decided last year to leave Argonath because of the disrespect of other players towards me. Being a freecop, I was treated as a noob, being a taxi driver, totally as a "Bullsh..." and even abused by other cadet cops, while, in contrast, the admins were very polite to me. You know, I've promised myself I would never play on this server again. Finally I've come back yesterday, and I hope the situation have improved at least a little bit.

[Voodoo]

If you won't abuse yourself, and will obide the ARPD rules, no one will think about you as a noob or anything. Of course, some are too greedy to lose 300 or 600 to some freecop, so they use it.

[Mac_Gyver]

??? Look, I've obided the ARPD rules, and I was the one who never tried to kill the suspect. I've rarely seen a Cadet who would take to prison a suspect, mostly they would kill them, even if he was innocent and would give himself up. And you know, there where also many cadets who put fire on my cabby without any reason, it seems that the fact that it is a RPG server, hasn't got into their mind.

[Caltson]

??? Look, I've obided the ARPD rules, and I was the one who never tried to kill the suspect. I've rarely seen a Cadet who would take to prison a suspect, mostly they would kill them, even if he was innocent and would give himself up. And you know, there where also many cadets who put fire on my cabby without any reason, it seems that the fact that it is a RPG server, hasn't got into their mind.

You got a point there, but keep in mind that No One is the same person. neither their minds.

[Mac_Gyver]

I know, unfortunately this kind of people can't find a better way to kill boredom...

[Omri]

Hello
The thing you are saying its quite true Legend and ufortuanly the Cadets we got in the server are getting the wrong treatment, I have been playing as a cadet for some days and have been witnessed that Cadets are getting the lowest treatment. Regulars are keeping them out for RP scenes because of possible they can ruin the scene, but some cadets are quite good RPers ( I've met some cadets that has some experience into RPG Mode ). It cannot be true that Regulars are treating the cadets in this way, I feel sorry for the cadets that we got ingame as it shall not be true they deserve this.

And yes, some cadets may be abusing stuff but thats pretty normal in my eyes as they are new in the server, they need help getting to know the server itself and our rules, its not going to help if some just talk down to the Cadets instead of helping them and I know it can be hard teaching a Cadet something as maybe he eaven dosen't speak English.

And Mac_Gyver, your statement is pretty false as I have seen MANY cadets jailing suspects and before that they write the criminal's data down at the computer, I am a dispacther under the name "Douglas_Hawkins" and that means I sit inside the LSPD and just talk with radio, with that job I also witness many cadets going duty and off duty, but also that cadets are jailing suspects not only killing them.

How should RPG get in thier mind if they are getting this treatment by regular people ?, just see now you are talking down at them with no respect and they deserve alot better, try give them a chance and learn them something just remember to be patient with them as they are new and just need to be settled down.

[Bianconeri]

as im Sergeant of ARPD, and a regular in it,
i got lots of kidnappings and bombings that sort of cases,
and what you say Omri is true,
we dont want freecops/cadet at a kidnapping or other worse cases,

yesterday we have freecops/cadets at a bombing, they didnt listen to any order that was given,
just running a bit around and shooting everything they see,
sadly enough this was because it was at a busy place in LS(near GS9)


why we dont want freecops/cadets?
because that makes the chance on a fail much higher, although maybe only 1 of the 10
will ruin it, the chance to get 1 of those is big, so it will be ruined, and hostage dead,

but we do call all freecops-cadets we trust, the players who have made there point already,
why not train the new players? for big cases they need experience first, before going into the hard work


mostly everyone is told not to inform about kidnapping on police radio, but used by phoning officers,
and others you want at the scene, this to prevent hostage from dieing,
and also better for kidnappers so they dont have freecop rushing in all the time,
thats why they are hated that much

[Omri]

But you saying if the free cops are at the scene you lower the chances of saving the hostage, but what if you guys took some time and put some effort into training the Cadets ? I am 100 % sure if you guys could share your knowledge and experience with the cadets you will have succes. But the thing is, there aint many people that is willing to spend some hours and training some cadets.

But Bianconeri, I know it can be difficult to operate with the Cadets as most of them are new people at the server but allthough that, don't you think that they deserve a good treatment instead of beeing ignored ?

[Bianconeri]

im SAPD academy trainer, so i already put a lot of time into training

and yes they dont deserve to be ignored,
but if we dont inform it on radio, nobody gets ignored,
we only want skilled police at a dangerous scene,
you think you can just join any action you want? nope

as i said: we only call in trusted police into big cases
the others need some more experience in Argonath before
they can join in this big cases like a kidnapping

[Omri]

By gaining and learning something new you do not have to be in the specific area where the kidnappers are, they can be close at the experienced players to also LEARN something. They do not need to join an action scene just to learn something, many people learn different and some just learn by observing and beeing there, and I think they derserve just atleast to come and check out whats going on.

[Bianconeri]

where i was talking about was kidnappings, not outside that,
outside that they should join with officers to gain experience and learn