Should we give up ?

[Seskom]

Donating- But the problem is many argonath players are underaged and dont have creditcard to send cash to paypal so we could donate. I gonna try to talk with my brother (Second one) maybe he can help to send me some cash to paypal acc.

[Dave]

Let's go back to RS2 for a month or permanently - that will fix things.
People would stop caring so much about the money and would actually start roleplaying more.

No! Go back further! Back to MTA! 

[Unmountable]

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[Mafs]

To much rules, to much moaners, to less roleplay, Players brought argonath down, Now players need to get Argonath back up.

And once again, the players get blamed.
I suggest you take a good look at all that Watti said, because that is the truth, and nothing but the truth!

[Cane]

[youtube link]

And this helps... how, exactly? Why are people spamming the topic with a whole bunch of Youtube videos?

Donating- But the problem is many argonath players are underaged and dont have creditcard to send cash to paypal so we could donate. I gonna try to talk with my brother (Second one) maybe he can help to send me some cash to paypal acc.

Donating isn't the main problem here.

- Getting less moaners
^{Omg ADMINS my weapons REFUND!, Stop with that bullshit, it is a game, just enjoy it}
- Creating more roleplay
^{Go roleplay other things then before..}
- Stop moaning to admins/players
^{Admins are also players, they are willing to give up time to help others, respect that}
- Think at yourself and go roleplay just like good old times
^{at rs2/rs3 there was less moaning, Just stop. it isnt that hard.}

Uh, Traser, I don't think you realised, but, um, Argonath's players have been trying to accomplish these goals already, and nothing worked, as you can see.

Let's go back to RS2 for a month or permanently - that will fix things.
People would stop caring so much about the money and would actually start roleplaying more.

Which brings back to my point(s) in one of the topics on the SA:MP Ideas section...

Oh, and again, arrogancy is just part of human nature; for some, it's hard to control...

[Seskom]

Still money is one of the problems but not main one true.

[Leroy]

Well, I say my goodbye's too Aragorn, I hope you return one day, I will never forget the last RP I had with you..
Gandalf, I know thing's are going hard, But alot of player's have revealed that they do care, We are trying to change, It might take sometime for everyone to change, But we'll try our hardest, And I know some people trying to donate for the server to live on, Heck, I would donate, Because there's something about this server, Something magical, It just makes you feel like home, And you cannot forget home, Can you?, Please, I speak from the whole community when I say this, Don't take away our homes, We'll change, And to the community, I say, Change yourself, Eventually, Everyone shall change, Aragorn left because of the moaning and whining, Just stop all that, Show your more, We need to bring the OLD RPG Back, The friendly atmosphere, Let's put aside our difference's, And become one, For the better, No one else can change anything, But we can, We, The community, Can change, We can change to make this server what it once was, No one wants to lose there homes, If you love Argonath, Show that you love it, Respect everyone around you.. I will change myself, Will You?

The problem is, Theres Less Roleplaying, And more moaning and whining..

[Watti]

no no no no no no

Money IS NOT the problem

it is a Factor.. in the problem

the problem is.. moaners complain and bitch.. and dont show Ron and Ronnel respect on what they do .. they spend over 300 euro a month.. just for more complaints.....

If there was no complaints.. just Complements and Fun activityes, no argues... they would pay the 300 Euros with no problems with no regrets...

if you do not under stand this..

you will understand this..

Would you want to pay for something that you arnt getting any thing from??

Would you want to pay for something you are Getting Heaps of happyness from?

[Dave]

Not all of the players guys, what about thos backstabbing bastards who flame the admin team, who flamed RON. Don't think you are all so innocent, if all the players were working towards these goals, this would never have happened.

[Proxan]

Guys, remember it's a game... and we are a community... we should stick together and help each other, not bugging each other. Keep that in mind please...

If we just stick together, the problems will be solved by their own.

I can take an example, like if someone says "omg a freecop killed me" I mean yes , ofcourse you get angry but just try help him instead... explaining the rules and what to do and not to do... Remember when you were new? I guess you didn't fit in at all in the beginning, atleast I didn't.. So try help each other out and this great community will keep growing and be the best one out there...


There will always be haters out there, but try make the best out of it...

PS I don't know if this made any sense at all but I just felt like saying it.

[Frederick]

I will state one way to aid in preventing these moaners and "corrupt" players.  Taking Argonath RPG off of the official listing is one way of stopping the problem(s) we're facing.  Trust me, being on that official list is not really something to be proud of.  Don't think that because we're on the official list means we're all that.

Yes, we're all that, however, that official list can certainly corrupt a server within a day.  We can still gain new players by not being on it.

The way it corrupts a server is because a server becomes over-exposed to people.  Therefore, we end up getting players that only want to DeathMatch and such.  We also get the moaners as mentioned.  It's as simple as that.

If the lead administrators are not in favour of removing Argonath RPG from the official listing, then fine by me, but don't say I didn't alert you of the dangers.  

[rJCaiG]

Money is NOT a problem!!!!!!! It was mentioned in the first post as a way of showing how much EFFORT AND MONEY AND TIME the owners put INTO IT!! NOT as a way of saying "LOL GIVE US MONEY PL0X NOW THX"!!! The problem is the moaners, the DMers, the regulars who abuse scripts, the god damn people who don't APPRECIATE the time, effort, money, work, and hours the ADMINS AND DEVELOPERS AND OWNERS PUT INTO THIS SERVER. THINK before you POST and READ before you THINK!!!

[Leroy]

I remember, last week, RON has been flamed ALOT, No wonder why he left, I remember about few day's ago, He was dressed as a hobo, I thought, Ah, Let's start a mini RP.

So I walked upto him, And said, ''Sir, Do you want money?'', And pulled out my wallet and gave him about 2.5k+ or something, Then he said he'd pray for me at the church, Then, He invited me into a small party with his friend ''Jay'' (JayL).

Look, I started a SMALL RP, And it grew, It grew, Because the RP quality was good, Then later I had to go, So the RP kind of ended..

Just dont moan, Roleplay, Even if the roleplay will be TINY, Just do it, Roleplay will ALWAYS be fun.

And I remember, After that RON was in a good mood, He RP'd well, Thanked everyone that been nice to him (He was a hobo RP), And I had fun, So did he, And everyone else that was there, It was a small bit of happiness, There weren't any moaning or whining on the RP, It was just Pure fun..

[9r2e5i3k]

Taking the server off the official list won't help. Reverting to old scripts won't help. Only technical thing that can be changed is to remove scripts that divide players into groups (eg. ARPD from freecops - should reduce whining as experienced cops will try to keep the reputation high, while moaners won't be able to just throw around with unexperienced cops when they won't recognize them).

What can help is when the old players will show that they can play with new guys, teach the new guys what's roleplay. And don't start some extra super roleplay situations only between veterans - engage new players into it. Maybe if Aragorn will see that the PEOPLE changed, he will return.

But making 1000 replies to topics like this won't help much. Sure that it shows support, but it's better to prove it ingame.

[BeLLa]

WE WANT ARGONATH!