SWAT weaponequipping during a shoot-out

[Stanley_Taylor]

I was just present at a shoot-out during a bank robbery. I noticed SWAT was going outside to get new armour after they lost them. Suspects are not allowed to buy a drink to gain health during a shoot-out because of 'script-abuse'. I disagreed with this from the start because if this would be script abuse then gaining health from buying a drink should be removed in the first place. The drinking could still be roleplayed differently like using first-aid kits
So...SWAT can refil armour all day long and criminals aren't allowed to refil. It's safe to say this is very unfair towards criminals.
I'd like everybody to think about new ideas so criminals don't have this huge disadvantage, that leaves any chance of breaking out of a building impossible when SWAT is there, just because the scripts are made that way.

[David_Omid]

SWAT obviously had to leave the place, go back to their vehicles and refill their armour and ammunition

Criminals healing in an interior is different...as they are still technically in combat

[VeLuX]

i Also think it is worng that FBI just ecript them with 1000 smg or more when nomal patrol & of course armour

i think they only should be used in 207 and stuff like that..

[TheRock]

Wow wow wow wow..... hold it VeLuX... you don't know nothing about the FBI..

Each agent has a bout 250-350 Rounds of SMG.... We do not equip more.. since it's not needed..
We do equip heavy weapons such as combat or m4 only on FBI Operations / 207's / Code Purples... and some more situation... but normally we do not even have more than 400...

[Stanley_Taylor]

SWAT obviously had to leave the place, go back to their vehicles and refill their armour and ammunition

Thanks, I've said that already and this doesn't change anything about the fact they are allowed to refil with an unlimited amount of armour and criminals are not to refil at all.

Criminals healing in an interior is different...as they are still technically in combat

They can rp using a first-aid kit that helps them with their injuries and then use /buy milk. But I assume that's totally out of the question, because some people will neglect to do this.

I hope everyone can see that this is a problem. We need a solution for criminals. We don't need SWAT to have their truck removed. But, we need something for the criminals. If people can think of solutions for this problem we can post them at SA:Ideas and have the main admins make the decisions about them. We need to get this more balanced.

[Wash]

SWAT & FBI both have script(ers) support. Criminals do not.

SWAT obviously had to leave the place, go back to their vehicles and refill their armour and ammunition

Criminals healing in an interior is different...as they are still technically in combat

My point proven. How can leaving an interior to re-enter 15 seconds later not be seen as regaining health and weaponry supplements in combat? lol

[Nexxt]

..moan moar...

[VeLuX]

Wow wow wow wow..... hold it VeLuX... you don't know nothing about the FBI..

Each agent has a bout 250-350 Rounds of SMG.... We do not equip more.. since it's not needed..
We do equip heavy weapons such as combat or m4 only on FBI Operations / 207's / Code Purples... and some more situation... but normally we do not even have more than 400...

Sry to say it but

Wow wow wow. you dont know your members in FBI then, me and one of my friends was in a chase of a suspect. and on the way we picked up a FBI guy there said ohh only 900 smg back

So stop say wow wow to me

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Second why has 300 smg?? officers only have 180 smg ?? why the drifense? second FBI allways has Armour

Officers are have to buy them self in 207 and stuff like that, only if there are a kind SWAT/Lieutenant+ guy there give us it

[Chase]

Sry to say it but

Wow wow wow. you dont know your members in FBI then, me and one of my friends was in a chase of a suspect. and on the way we picked up a FBI guy there said ohh only 900 smg back

So stop say wow wow to me

Hey there, click me to solve the problem!

[Stanley_Taylor]

..moan moar...

Reported for moaning.


Could we leave the FBI out of this?

[Seskom]

SWAT obviously had to leave the place, go back to their vehicles and refill their armour and ammunition

Criminals healing in an interior is different...as they are still technically in combat

Criminals have to back up into bar room too :X

[Wolfe]

Why in hell a Government Agency wouldn't have more then 1 Body Armour for each officer ? Of course they got shitloads stocked, Noone told you to go hide inside a Vault, You can do a Robbery on an open place, so that way whoever needs can leave and go buy himself armour, Its not like we drag the enforcer inside the Bank and stay in it shooting from there and re equipping..And also, do you think you can remove 30 bullets out of your body with bandages a Bottle of Alcohol and morphine ? Go for it..

[Stanley_Taylor]

Why in hell a Government Agency wouldn't have more then 1 Body Armour for each officer ? Of course they got shitloads stocked, Noone told you to go hide inside a Vault, You can do a Robbery on an open place, so that way whoever needs can leave and go buy himself armour, Its not like we drag the enforcer inside the Bank and stay in it shooting from there and re equipping..And also, do you think you can remove 30 bullets out of your body with bandages a Bottle of Alcohol and morphine ? Go for it..

I didn't say one body armour, I said unlimited body armour. You don't think a limitation is in order?
Most bank robberies and big shoot-outs (where the SAPD is gonna need SWAT to come in) happen in buildings, I thought you'd understand that part. Like 1+1 right? :trust:
And no, you don't drag the enforcer inside the bank. You set it right in front of the building and it takes you less than 30 seconds to refil and get back in.
About the morphine and all that...when you get hit by 30 bullets, you're dead anyway. Let me ask you, do you type /hurt when you're on low hp or do you suddenly forget about what it would cause you to do in real-life? I guess it's all different then huh, real-life and roleplay? Whatever makes your case, right?

[Tanner]

Paperinik i agree with you 100% on this. it is BS, but nothing we say will change it so this is just a waste of time and effort.

We try to get some fairness for criminals, you think the scripters or the Main admin cops are going to agree.. no.. I dont

understand why cops are alowed to rejoin after death, get free unlimited ammu, and unlimited armour, But they do. Criminals

ofc have to spend thousands of dollars on their equipment but no one cares as long as the police are getting theirs for free and

don't have to spend a penny.

[JDC]

We try to get some fairness for criminals, you think the scripters or the Main admin cops are going to agree.. no.. I dont

For you have no idea how many criminals would take advantage of the said "fairness". More cops being shot down, more cops being laughed at after failing chases, et cetera.

Not all Criminals want fairness for the sake of it, others want it only so the cops would have a disadvantage. Other than good criminals like Araatus, Corleone, Stracci, and et cetera, there also exist the "bad" criminals that want nothing more than to laugh at cops shot down in combat rather than be a quality criminal.

About the moans, yes, this contains more moaning. Just look at posts / video by Panda and Vince, even in the old days when Cops had advantages, a lot less complained.

Before:
-"YOU SET US UP!!!"

Now:
-"ABUSE!" "SWAT ABUSING /SUSPECT!" "ADMINS UNSUS ME"