Argonath Role Play, a forgotten skill ?

[R.Rivens]

So it IS allowed.

Huh? Well then I can abuse it all the time.

* R.Rivens knocks out.

* R.Rivens takes the walet.

/l (( Money for RP please. ))

You can actually force everyone to do something.

* R.Rivens kicks out of the car.

/l (( Get out! ))

[Oliver]

I don't get it why people complain that there is no RP in the server. It's very easy to have a good roleplay situation with any given person.

Huh? Well then I can abuse it all the time.

* R.Rivens knocks out.

* R.Rivens takes the walet.

/l (( Money for RP please. ))

You can actually force everyone to do something.

* R.Rivens kicks out of the car.

/l (( Get out! ))

You can't force someone to roleplay.


If you want serious business roleplay where everything is very strict then join a server where people roleplay like that. Argonath is meant to be fun and different, where you come to relax with your friends and have funny roleplay situations.

[R.Rivens]

I don't get it why people complain that there is no RP in the server. It's very easy to have a good roleplay situation with any given person.

You can't force someone to roleplay.


If you want serious business roleplay where everything is very strict then join a server where people roleplay like that. Argonath is meant to be fun and different, where you come to relax with your friends and have funny roleplay situations.

Eh, I am just saying you know.

I said that I can not that I am doing it. Eh...

[Joey_DeRossi]

Hello, Protoman.

First of all, thank you very much for having the time to reply with a constructive post. It's really appreciated!
And secondly, I'll try to resume this to the shortest way possible - as you've written a true essay.

Let's go by points.

Joey no offense
your a great rper and all, but your one of the people trying to make Argonath a "1337 OMFG RP server"

It actually hurts me, to be called a "1337 OMFG RP", as I never, and never will, implement my way of role-playing to the newcomers or to anyone. I simply am loyal on the way how I role-play. The way I like it. If people don't role-play like that? No problem, I'll still role-play with them with the same joy.

There is no need for a fail/succeed at all, it's useless and wastes time
* Protoman Pushes gandalf off the bridge
*Gandalf Runs away

Yes, it really isn't needed. But /em is there to be used and with a positively, or negatively, reply you can right away adapt your role-play.
i.e
positively

* Joey_DeRossi attempts to push Protoman against the wall

/em Succeeds to?
/em Yes

* Joey_DeRossi pushes Protoman against the wall

negatively

* Joey_DeRossi attempts to push Protoman against the wall

/em Succeeds to?
/em No

* Joey_DeRossi falls down or, used by the player who said "No", /me struggles

Of course, I'm just showing you the way I'd role-play. But on my opinion it seems... how do I put this... a bit "disrespectful" to try your role-play shot and end up with a guy running and shouting "/s Pussy!" who, right away, pulls out a gun and shoots you.

you trying to right now, obviously, enforce the usage of /em is a sign that argonath the way it is is not good enough for you, you must have strict guidlines for RP, otherwise whats the point.

I'd have to disagree. I simply suggest to use a command which is there. /em doesn't have to necessarily be used for Yes or No, but, at the same time, for a 3rd person view.
i.e
/em Although there's a sunny day, there's no one in the beach.
Simply like a head line.
Once again, I never enforced, nor never will, my way of role-playing.

Powergaming and Metagaming, OOC and IC are not apart of argonath rpg, anyone who trys to make it apart of argonath does not belong here as it is not the right server for them.

I understand the OOC, IC and Metagaming part. I don't mind people calling me Joey when they even haven't met me. I don't mind at all.
For OOC and IC I use brackets
i.e
/l haha, that was a good shot))
Simply was the way I was taught. But, once again, I never enforced, and never will, the way how I role-play.

What I don't agree with, is the powergaming factor.
It's clear enough, that no one can powergame here, as if someone comes here and does * Protoman throws a brick to Joey's head, making him fall on the ground, with no previous context at all, I'll just, simply, ignore it.
If you do /me pulls out a gun and shoots the officer - what kind of role-play is this? Instead, what if you really shot the officer? We would have a DM fiesta. /me pulls out a gun and shoots everyone in sight - what's this? DM.
Generally, people who try to enforce their way of role-play (powergamers) end up with a shooting scene, in less than 5 minutes, and, in a near future, with a temporary ban/ban.

Argonath is a RPG server, not a RP server
most might ask what the difference is and others might argue there the same.
However RPG is severly different then RP, RP is defined as picking a role and playing it, however RP is enforced by strict rules/codes/guidlines.
RPG is not so much picking one role and staying with it, you have the option to play the role of anything/anyone you like, one minute you could be a space dragon, the next you could be a mafia thug extorting people for cash, the bounds are limitless.

I must say I am truly confused, as I always thought RP and RPG were basically the same thing.
As I don't know which official meaning both have, I'll put it the way I see it.
RP - Role-play
RPG - Server (game) where you role-play.
As you can see, there's no difference.

RP does not need "strict rules/codes/guidlines", let me give you the example of VC:MP (?), where people only role-play with /me.

And, as far I know, people can change their character whenever they want. In a formal way, or a informal way.
i.e
formally
/ad NEWS : Joey DeRossi, a citizen of Los Santos, has been killed in a crossfire. The news reporter blames the thugs living in El Corona

informally
Step to the city hall, with no news, and buy a namechange or by giving a quick mention on /p "I'll change my name to John_Smith".

Now lets look at people who try to bring Metagaming/powergaming into argonath.
Theres several reasons for this, all apply to different people, and some have other reasons not listed.
Main reason is they feel they should be in control and if a situation doesn't go there way, they scream powergame/metagame/non-rp/abuse, and they whine about it.

Like I stated before, Metagaming isn't a bad thing. But, what makes people complaining is the fact that they consider themselfs "1337 OMFG RP'ers", who attempt their best to enforce their way of role-play (wrongfully, in my opinion), and if they don't role-play the way they do, or want to, they'll start saying : "You suck", "You don't know how to role-play", etc.
That's what brings a discussion over /p, or a controversial (flaming) PM. Ending up, with more moaning after a a ban/temporary ban/kick.

Now, lets take a look at the ooc/ic, same thing as above, another rule not enforced on argo, yet players insist it exists, when one player chooses not to acknowledged this so called unwritten rule, he is flamed, harassed, and even dm'd by players.
IC/OOC does not exist on argo, why continue to enforce a rule that doesn't exist, the fact is players again want something that makes them seem like they are superior to others, they think by being a hardcore Rp'er on a server with loosley defined rules, and then trying to enforce rules such as MG, PG, and ic/ooc, they are superior.

I really am sorry, if anyone in the server is trying to enforce their way of role-play and if not used by others, he turns everything near him into a DM fiesta. Not only shows how of a bad person he is, but how he ruins the server with straightforward moaning.

Yes, I personally don't bother to have people saying /l did you see that shot?, with no brackets.
What bothers me is people saying /l omfg, lol wut, did you see that shot? lol with, or without brackets. But, hey, that's just me, who hates to see that kind of language, as it doesn't resembles to the King's language.
The brackets are something I was taught to use, but, once again. I do not enforce them, nor ever will.
I disagree with the fact that, by using IC/OOC, you are superior/feel superior. I, for example, don't consider me a top role-player, I see much more in Lustigkurre, in terms of role-play (a type of role-playing with animations) than I do in me.
If I use IC/OOC? Yes, I use. I call the newcomers over their name. Sometimes they even ask me how did I know their name. I am speechless when they do that.

Whining and complaining, we all do our fair share of it, every player, if you say you haven't, your lieing.
Whining is something that every server has, however, other servers are not as light on it as argonath is, while a crackdown on whining has been in place, it is still by far lesser then anyhting other servers have.
Whining will never leave argonath, one whiner leaves, two more take it's place, it's the way of life.

That's correct. But there are "whinings" and "whinings".
A bad example is going on /p and saying : omg abuser, copban now!
A good example (even though whining isn't a good thing) is doing it over the PM system. On my bad days I pitty Frank, as he has to hear a lot of cursed words 

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Finally, I'd like to give a suggestion to the administrators :
Be stricter on the moaning. Temporary bans with 60 minutes long, will surely, make people think twice before opening their mouth.

[Caltson]

Enough of this nonsense!

Lock ALL of this incredible topics and go ingame and DO something about it!...

[Gandalf]

Huh? Well then I can abuse it all the time.

* R.Rivens knocks out.

* R.Rivens takes the walet.

/l (( Money for RP please. ))

You can actually force everyone to do something.

* R.Rivens kicks out of the car.

/l (( Get out! ))

The last line in both examples is abusive, and one of the reasons why we do not like this way of playing.

If you try this without the /l line, you give the player a chance to respond in a way he wishes. By adding the /l line you try to force the player in to the action you wish to be done, often followed by ((if you do not give me you are non-RP))

[Que]

Enough of this nonsense!

Lock ALL of this incredible topics and go ingame and DO something about it!...

? 

[Caltson]

? 

I'm quite tired to see all the time the same 'How to RP, where is the RP"

Roleplay is still there, just open your eyes..

I think everyone should be able to roleplay how they want themselves, aslong they do NOT harm the server rules.. If they use OOC or IC i don't really care, aslong there's fun around..

[Gandalf]

It actually hurts me, to be called a "1337 OMFG RP", as I never, and never will, implement my way of role-playing to the newcomers or to anyone. I simply am loyal on the way how I role-play. The way I like it. If people don't role-play like that? No problem, I'll still role-play with them with the same joy.

I regard you as a good player, which means it hurts me to see that you seem to adopt rather negative ways of playing as 'correct', most likely because of contact with servers who claim to use 'better RP'.

Yes, it really isn't needed. But /em is there to be used and with a positively, or negatively, reply you can right away adapt your role-play.
i.e
positively

* Joey_DeRossi attempts to push Protoman against the wall

/em Succeeds to?
/em Yes

* Joey_DeRossi pushes Protoman against the wall

negatively

* Joey_DeRossi attempts to push Protoman against the wall

/em Succeeds to?
/em No

* Joey_DeRossi falls down or, used by the player who said "No", /me struggles

Of course, I'm just showing you the way I'd role-play. But on my opinion it seems... how do I put this... a bit "disrespectful" to try your role-play shot and end up with a guy running and shouting "/s Pussy!" who, right away, pulls out a gun and shoots you.

Without being aware, you are trying to force the player in to your scenario.
If you push a guy to the wall there are more options than that he is pushed to the wall or that he pushes you back. You kill the creativity of answering, and by this you kill the creativity of playing.

I'd have to disagree. I simply suggest to use a command which is there. /em doesn't have to necessarily be used for Yes or No, but, at the same time, for a 3rd person view.
i.e
/em Although there's a sunny day, there's no one in the beach.
Simply like a head line.
Once again, I never enforced, nor never will, my way of role-playing.

The command was not created to be used for Yes/No scenarios.

I understand the OOC, IC and Metagaming part. I don't mind people calling me Joey when they even haven't met me. I don't mind at all.
For OOC and IC I use brackets
i.e
/l haha, that was a good shot))
Simply was the way I was taught. But, once again, I never enforced, and never will, the way how I role-play.

What I don't agree with, is the powergaming factor.
It's clear enough, that no one can powergame here, as if someone comes here and does * Protoman throws a brick to Joey's head, making him fall on the ground, with no previous context at all, I'll just, simply, ignore it.
If you do /me pulls out a gun and shoots the officer - what kind of role-play is this? Instead, what if you really shot the officer? We would have a DM fiesta. /me pulls out a gun and shoots everyone in sight - what's this? DM.
Generally, people who try to enforce their way of role-play (powergamers) end up with a shooting scene, in less than 5 minutes, and, in a near future, with a temporary ban/ban.

Yet you try to powergame by the Yes/No question. Perhaps you do not realize, but giving just the option for yes or no makes the RP slower, and void of creative answers. Personally I see it as much as powergaming as

* Gandalf kills the officer by kung fu

/l ((type /kill))

I must say I am truly confused, as I always thought RP and RPG were basically the same thing.
As I don't know which official meaning both have, I'll put it the way I see it.
RP - Role-play
RPG - Server (game) where you role-play.
As you can see, there's no difference.

RP does not need "strict rules/codes/guidlines", let me give you the example of VC:MP (?), where people only role-play with /me.

And, as far I know, people can change their character whenever they want. In a formal way, or a informal way.
i.e
formally
/ad NEWS : Joey DeRossi, a citizen of Los Santos, has been killed in a crossfire. The news reporter blames the thugs living in El Corona

informally
Step to the city hall, with no news, and buy a namechange or by giving a quick mention on /p "I'll change my name to John_Smith".

Like I stated before, Metagaming isn't a bad thing. But, what makes people complaining is the fact that they consider themselfs "1337 OMFG RP'ers", who attempt their best to enforce their way of role-play (wrongfully, in my opinion), and if they don't role-play the way they do, or want to, they'll start saying : "You suck", "You don't know how to role-play", etc.
That's what brings a discussion over /p, or a controversial (flaming) PM. Ending up, with more moaning after a a ban/temporary ban/kick.

Our opinion id that the name over your head is extremely useful for people to recognize you, as they will know the person they are playing with.
Which charater you wish to play at that moment is up to the RP. People should not count on someone being the same character every time they meet. However they should be able to count the same person being in game.

That's correct. But there are "whinings" and "whinings".
A bad example is going on /p and saying : omg abuser, copban now!
A good example (even though whining isn't a good thing) is doing it over the PM system. On my bad days I pitty Frank, as he has to hear a lot of cursed words 

_________________________________

Finally, I'd like to give a suggestion to the administrators :
Be stricter on the moaning. Temporary bans with 60 minutes long, will surely, make people think twice before opening their mouth.

We are thinking of being a lot stricter on the use of language as a whole.
Perhaps we should remove the 'slang' and just be strict against any form of bad language.

As for people opening their mouth, there has to be a clear difference between people whishing to discuss their opinion for the good of the server, and people trying to get their way by whining.
We do allow contrary opinions, and try to learn from them. However people who only voice an opinion to get negativity out, and often start claims of dictatorship and censoring when punished, will be handled strict.

[Jubin]

I have a bit of a silly question didn't want to make a new topic for this. What is the range of /me command in SAMP? Like is it local, or shout or what? If it is local damn I don't even need /l command.

[Gandalf]

I have a bit of a silly question didn't want to make a new topic for this. What is the range of /me command in SAMP? Like is it local, or shout or what? If it is local damn I don't even need /l command.

It is local, range is similar to /l

[BlackBird]

To Joey

RPG and RP are actually not the same.
RPG, While still roleplaying is referred to various roles, exe: /me is a space dragon and eating Gandalf, the next minute, /me is Italian man in a nice suit extorting gandalf for money, RPG is commonly referred to games, yes, games that do not have a completely enfroced code, such as RP names, and other useless rules such as IC OOC etc. etc., it is at the discretion of players to roleplay with who, aswell as when.

RP, on the otherhand, is depicted as several roles to choose from aswell, however once this role is picked, you may never change it, you may change the aspects of the role, but not the role itself exe: /me is a italian aspiring italian thug in Los Santos, /me is a italian mechanic at a shitty garage, Notice the change on the aspect from thug to mechanic, however the character(Role) stays the same, RP also refers to strict codes and rules, Meta, power, IC, OOC, etc. etc.

If this was Facebook, I'd like this post.

Your sarcasm is uneeded here JDC, this is a serious topic attempting to solve a problem in argonath.
However i know that is you to make serious things seem minor, allow me to redirect your innapropiate sense of humor to somewhere it can be used in a effective manner
Polotics and Religion

[Joey_DeRossi]

Thanks for replying, Gandalf.

I regard you as a good player, which means it hurts me to see that you seem to adopt rather negative ways of playing as 'correct', most likely because of contact with servers who claim to use 'better RP'.

Like I've said, it's just the way I feel comfortable with. Is it a "correct" attempt to role-play? It is a attempt to role-play. If it is good or not? I'm not the one to decide.
I never said that my way of role-playing is correct.
I like to see Frank_Hawk role-playing, for example, but I also like to see Lustigkurre doing it. Both, with the same joy.

Without being aware, you are trying to force the player in to your scenario.
If you push a guy to the wall there are more options than that he is pushed to the wall or that he pushes you back. You kill the creativity of answering, and by this you kill the creativity of playing.

Remember, I never force anyone to role-play.
If I do /me pushes him against the wall
/em Succeeds to?
And if the the person says : "I don't want to role-play". No problem, sometimes I don't want to role-play as well.
About the creativity, it has to come from the player who has been pushed
i.e
* Gandalf struggles and attempts to run away, by kicking Joey in his stomach
/em Succeeds to?
/em Yes
And you run away.

The command was not created to be used for Yes/No scenarios.

"/em doesn't have to necessarily be used for Yes or No, but, at the same time, for a 3rd person view."

Yet you try to powergame by the Yes/No question. Perhaps you do not realize, but giving just the option for yes or no makes the RP slower, and void of creative answers. Personally I see it as much as powergaming as
* Gandalf kills the officer by kung fu
/l ((type /kill))

Maybe we have different views on powergaming. For me, powergaming is something like this : "/me kicks him out of the car" and successfully carjacks him, leaving no other option.
By giving a yes or no question you have 3 choices. "Yes", "No", and "I don't want to role-play" - Leaving this last one no chance for powergaming.
Yes, the role-play is slower, but you can't predict what's going to happen
In the example you gave, for me, powergaming would've been : "* Gandalf kills the officer by kung fu" and you quickly grab a gun and shoot him to death and once he is dead you say, as an excuse. /em The high kick, used by Gandalf, was very affective. The officer died.

Our opinion id that the name over your head is extremely useful for people to recognize you, as they will know the person they are playing with.
Which charater you wish to play at that moment is up to the RP. People should not count on someone being the same character every time they meet. However they should be able to count the same person being in game.

Yes, completely agreed.
Let me highlight those who have names such as "hoboguy" in their head, but choose to say : "Hello, my name is John."

We are thinking of being a lot stricter on the use of language as a whole.
Perhaps we should remove the 'slang' and just be strict against any form of bad language.

I don't know if your serious about the slang.
I personally don't like it, but I know the youth uses it a lot, to communicate in a faster way, therefore I understand it to appear on the forums, or ingame. Don't know if it would be a good idea to completely remove it.

As for people opening their mouth, there has to be a clear difference between people whishing to discuss their opinion for the good of the server, and people trying to get their way by whining.
We do allow contrary opinions, and try to learn from them. However people who only voice an opinion to get negativity out, and often start claims of dictatorship and censoring when punished, will be handled strict.

Of course. I remember I had a discussion with David_Omid concerning self-defence. We both got out winning, me for listening to his voice/opinion and retrieving the information I could, and David_Omid for the exact same thing.
Peaceful discussion, where no "f**king this, f**king that" was used and a compliment in the end was, politely, made.

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Hello, Protoman.

I enjoyed hearing your opinion, but I would have to disagree with the following:

RP, on the otherhand, is depicted as several roles to choose from aswell, however once this role is picked, you may never change it, you may change the aspects of the role, but not the role itself exe: /me is a italian aspiring italian thug in Los Santos, /me is a italian mechanic at a shitty garage, Notice the change on the aspect from thug to mechanic, however the character(Role) stays the same, RP also refers to strict codes and rules, Meta, power, IC, OOC, etc. etc.

Once you pick a role, in a role-play, you can perfectly change it. Simply by announcing you died and go to the city hall and create a brand new character.
And yes, a thug can perfectly become a mechanic in the next day, if he really wants to work

[Oliver]

It is local, range is similar to /l

Actually the range is similar to /s.
I was spying on i9 a couple of weeks ago and I could see their /s and /me commands while I couldn't see their /l text.

[Jerry]

One question....

Do you really think that this topic will really change how people will roleplay?