CHANGES that will affect ALL ARPD

[Zorenic]

No more freecops.  :bye:

They are still here..
The rank i mean.

[SargentJosh]

I am sick of the stupid discussion of 'FBI Vs. SWAT + SAPD'. For **** sake its a damn game. Learn to play along with each other... stop trying to gain an advantage over one another because you ruin the purpose of RolePlay.

[Nexxt]

Your joking me Pancher?

If we killed/jailed every suspect we had in our hands... what is the reason that we are Federal Bureau of Investigation ??

Dude, just another biased comment about freecops, and that by the FBI.
I doubt you did "investigate" the most freecops, did you?

New players usualy abuse police power. (freecops)

That's not true.......

[Inkognito]

Awesome changes

[Chase]

For all those arguing / ranting / moaning - I got some useful places for you to go to.

http://www.drphil.com/plugger/
http://www.jerryspringertv.com/get_tickets.php

[Louis_Keyl]

New players usualy abuse police power. (freecops)

Thats not True, I agree with nexxt... I had a GREAT RP while UC with a Freecop... I mean, it was GREAT... He did it better than an officer, or even above...

[9r2e5i3k]

Grze, that is the problem. [...] the majority of SA:MP Criminals will immediately shoot a Fed sniffing around their HQ (if we make it clear to them that we are Feds),

Start moaning that they're "nonrpers" and dmers

that's why we keep our work discreet.

It's not discreet, it's totally goddamn hidden from players outside FBI.

If you're not showing any role-play (because "you don't want to get shot") and only show up when you have to shoot, then don't expect people not involved in FBI to see you as role-players.

What would you think about a group that only assaults their enemy, shoots them and waits for a next target? And after that implying that they were role-playing, but "their RP was hidden because they don't want to die"?

Srsly...

[el_boricua56]

Start moaning that they're "nonrpers" and dmers
It's not discreet, it's totally goddamn hidden from players outside FBI.

If you're not showing any role-play (because "you don't want to get shot") and only show up when you have to shoot, then don't expect people not involved in FBI to see you as role-players.

What would you think about a group that only assaults their enemy, shoots them and waits for a next target? And after that implying that they were role-playing, but "their RP was hidden because they don't want to die"?

Srsly...

I do not understand the statement that we only show up when we have to shoot..

Also, how alerting the criminals and making them know that we are investigating them is going to help at all? That would ruin our operations and make the criminals be more alert and cautious. Instead we prefer to let them think they are safe... just for a period of time.

[Pandalink]

So far we've busted several FBI spies, urnotdoinitrite.

[Jaaskaa]

Strange why I haven`t posted here already ? Time to annoy people with useless long text!

To go back on topic, such things were wanted by Gandalf and CBF. My only comment on this was about some features that are not yet in discussion for public, because it is in discussion between developpers and managers behind closed doors. Why ? Because we want to keep cold head on what are the issues, way to fix them and possible future issues.

As for the comment about FBI, it will be greatly considered by them I hope and I wish you a happy new year and a nice day.

FBI is not a ``roleplay school`` and they don`t consider our members as ``l33t roleplayers who know everything``, or at least I don`t think nor saw they act like this. If some do so, too bad for them. But please keep in mind that Argonath Rpg is an open rp community without any strict roleplay limitation. If we wanted to restrict something, it would be done by script or written rules. 

The reason why FBI receive a different treatment is not because they kiss the ass of Gandalf. Ok you will say maybe you don`t know that someone in FBI do it but I don`t think Gandalf agree with asskissing anyways so I would keep a certain doubt at least on this point. Actualy THE reason is related to upcoming script logic. Nothing else. It is only script related matters if FBI gets dark blue name. SWAT may get it back aswell, depending on how the discussion about this group will turn out.

So please understand : Reason for the adjustements are complex, there is too many things that I cannot reveal and too many that are yet to be discussed but some decisions have been taken by Ronnel, who is the co-owner of this community. (if you forgot it, you play on this server from HIS cash, not yours, so basicaly, he can do whatever he wants with the script. That is true, it is called ownership.)

 So instead of wondering : why this group got this/that...Ask yourself : How will this be useful to me in future? How can me/my group receive a ``privilege`` (if you consider it as this) and how this group actualy made it to what it is? Instead of trying to bash and change things that are already changed but not the way you like it, accept and take advantage out of it. Make your head work a bit and you may discover that it is  maybe more at your advantage.

As a final comment, I would like to say : If Gandalf decided it to be that way, there is a reason behind it, there is a logic that he wants you to understand. If you keep shouting, stay angry/depressed/in any form of conflict with this position, it`s up to you, but I say consider only this : If you disagree with the decisions taken by a person who is aware of how everything goes and see the day-to-day situation, then, what is your position to discuss of the situation and what have YOU done to solve the situation or at least to try to change it?

For me, discussion is closed and we are already discussing a new topic about future changes.

Also, may I suggest everyone on this topic who take this thing too stiff to actualy relax a bit ? .... Everyone must be aware of two things :
-Any inflamatory comment will result to an administrative actions.
-Act maturely, be polite. 

Rules are rules. Everyone, from now on, should consider hisself as ``advised``. I have nothing against the discussion going on but keep on topic. Goal here is not to express you opinion about a group or another or what you have recently discovered in your sandwich. This topic is only for information related to a script change.

On topic : Script change and how it may affect roleplay
Off topic : Who do what right/wrong bad/good roleplay.

As for 9r2e5i3k, you are an admin so if you like this topic, feel free to monitor it.

That`s all for me. If you have questions, my pm is your only chance of answer.

Bye.

[Pandalink]

Jaaskaa, regarding your point about accepting it and saying "how can my group get these benefits?". My group is a criminal one, and despite years of existence criminal groups have no such privileges, and I now accept they probably won't ever. I've almost given up on that one.

[Boxy]

Anyone here that is hating on the FBI that has a SAPD app or is in the SAPD will be subject to reviewal of your rank and possible demotions...CBFasi made it clear he does NOT want ANY fbi / sapd fighting and anyone involved would be punished...

Yeah guys, I'm GiacJr, and I'm flexing my ARPD muscle!  FEEL MY POWER!  YEAH, YOU LIKE IT? 

[Pandalink]

As an honest question, if the intention is to bring FBI and SAPD together - why has this update decidedly set them apart?

[Boxy]

because FBI is uberleet lolololololol

[JDC]

As an honest question, if the intention is to bring FBI and SAPD together - why has this update decidedly set them apart?

I also happen to know one of the other possible reasons for FBI's getting a darkblue name, but it cannot be revealed as Jaaskaa said, it is information that should not be revealed at the moment.

As for Araatus, I do not mean to offend you but many of your Members, yourself included, have moaned beyond control and committed infractions to the point where the group itself has attracted a lot of heat. Moaners in FBI are STFUd and punished, something that apparently does not happen in Araatus.

That's just my guess. But the final answer lies with Gandalf I guess.

BTW, small piece of trivia for those who haven't read it yet, it was a Server Owner who offered FBI the option to become Official.