I'd like to remind my fellow players

[Leon.]

Criminal groups are not DM groups. Nor are they intended to be

What you are about to read is NOT a direct attack to an admin. Yes, I know about the fucking email. I'm posting this to remind you of an apparently not so well known fact.

This has arisen due to the fact that many Gvardia members have been banned for "constant DM", and Samiir has threatened to shut Gvardia down, because we're apparently a "DM group" and DM isn't allowed on Argonath.

Gvardia was originally intended (and still is) to be a fun, actively roleplaying group to repopulate San Fierro, which used to be the least populated city. Many of our members actively participate and take joy in what they do. COUNTLESS members have been kicked due to reports on our members about anything ranging from hacks to deathmatching. This obviously proves that we are not intending to deathmatch.

This should apply to other groups as well. Stracci just wanted to have an enjoyable, roleplay crime syndicate. Diablos seems to have wanted to become the first successful Hispanic gang in San Fierro, which they have. They have also kicked countless members for deathmatching and flaming as well.

One of my more memorable kicks of a member from my Gvardia is someone who shall go nameless. He had a crazy, uncontrollable attitude, and constantly broke rules. He helikilled, DM'd, and flamed. Therefore, he was kicked the very day he was accepted.

Calling Gvardia DMers is like calling ARPD DMers, or even FBI or SWAT dmers. You might as well be calling the Argonath owners DMers by calling Gvardia a DM group. Just like Argonath's owner, developer, leader, and admin group, Gvardia can kick misbehaving members. (I hope you don't mind me picking on you, Frank Hawk).
If Frank Hawk banned Rory, Nexxt, IcyAero, SafetyMoose, TheRock, me, CBFasi, Pancher, Luca Russo, and Jimmy Cuneo for lulz, he's obviously getting kicked from the admin team. Gandalf isn't going to shut down the administration team (LOL IF THAT HAPPENS) because of Frank Hawk. For the most part, our admins behave fairly well. So all of the other admins who actually enjoy their job (O.O) shouldn't be put to the dirt because of Frank Hawk (I'm done picking on you now.)
If Roman Gvardia killed Nexxt, IcyAero, SafetyMoose, TheRock, me, CBFasi, Pancher, Luca Russo, and Jimmy Cuneo for the lulz, he's instantly getting kicked if we witness it, and getting kicked in time with evidence provided. Cofiliano isn't shutting down Gvardia because Roman killed them for the lulz, he's kicking him and carrying on with our normal things.

And again, criminal groups aren't DM groups. Some of their members might be. Don't push what LOLWAT_Ancelotti or IAREWETODED_Stracci or LOLBUNNY_Gvardia did on the groups themselves, push it on the people who DID the crimes to our society we call Argonath, a World of Its Own.

Thank you for your time
Leon Gvardia, Gvardia Underboss

[Que]

"Gvardia | SA:MP Best Criminal Group 2009" - says it all.

[Alsatian]

For me, at least, the rules are quite unclear. For example I had no idea that you couldn't aid a friend - or ally - if you weren't suspected or there previously yourself.

And this hate between ARPD and criminal groups has to stop, seriously. It's a game, just get along and stop moaning every goddamn second.

[Leon.]

"Gvardia | SA:MP Best Criminal Group 2009" - says it all.

The Best Criminal Group 2009 would DM and ruin their reputation for the lulz, apparently.

[Gandalf]

We have provided our players with a basic set of simple rules. They allow a very large freedom of different styles, which is not equalled on any other server.

In return we ask our players to respect each other. This seems to become a big problem lately, as the differences between groups and roles are becoming more intensive and the disrespect between these groups seems to grow.

With the loss of respect will come a larger focus on maintaining the rules, as if players can not handle them selves and each other with respect, it is up to us to make them. Now many players seem to be unaware that we have topics with regard to our interpretation of the rules running for a very long time, and that these were created so that players will know our position on the rules in case of any kind of enforcement needed.

Recently a number of groups seem to have forgotten that ropleplay is not getting suspected and having a shootout, then creating a gangwar and having a shootout, because of that being wanted and having a shootout etc.
While the interaction between cops and criminals, and the interaction between criminals them selves, is a big part of GTA, and also a big part of the roleplay, that does not mean that every situation must end in shooting and killing.
In fact that is what should be avoided unless absolutely needed.

The banning of yesterday had nothing to do with Gvardia as group. With groups forgetting basic rules, it could have been any other group caught in the same situation, and it is not unthinkable that very soon other groups will be caught for making the same mistake.

We allow violence and shooting between cops and criminals, or criminals between them selves. However we do not allow Team DM, straight DM or attempts to create this. This is the reason why in the past we have limited the ability to assist wanted players to those directly involved in the play and minor help in fleeing by family members. We might not always have strictly enforced this, but that does not mean it was ever changed.

If you feel at any times uncertain about what is and what is not allowed, read the topic where you can ask the developers. If you can not find the answer there, ask us. That will be much better as suddenly finding yourself banned for something you never bothered to think about being disallowed.

[Leon.]

We have provided our players with a basic set of simple rules. They allow a very large freedom of different styles, which is not equalled on any other server.

In return we ask our players to respect each other. This seems to become a big problem lately, as the differences between groups and roles are becoming more intensive and the disrespect between these groups seems to grow.

With the loss of respect will come a larger focus on maintaining the rules, as if players can not handle them selves and each other with respect, it is up to us to make them. Now many players seem to be unaware that we have topics with regard to our interpretation of the rules running for a very long time, and that these were created so that players will know our position on the rules in case of any kind of enforcement needed.

Recently a number of groups seem to have forgotten that ropleplay is not getting suspected and having a shootout, then creating a gangwar and having a shootout, because of that being wanted and having a shootout etc.
While the interaction between cops and criminals, and the interaction between criminals them selves, is a big part of GTA, and also a big part of the roleplay, that does not mean that every situation must end in shooting and killing.
In fact that is what should be avoided unless absolutely needed.

The banning of yesterday had nothing to do with Gvardia as group. With groups forgetting basic rules, it could have been any other group caught in the same situation, and it is not unthinkable that very soon other groups will be caught for making the same mistake.

We allow violence and shooting between cops and criminals, or criminals between them selves. However we do not allow Team DM, straight DM or attempts to create this. This is the reason why in the past we have limited the ability to assist wanted players to those directly involved in the play and minor help in fleeing by family members. We might not always have strictly enforced this, but that does not mean it was ever changed.

If you feel at any times uncertain about what is and what is not allowed, read the topic where you can ask the developers. If you can not find the answer there, ask us. That will be much better as suddenly finding yourself banned for something you never bothered to think about being disallowed.

Are you accusing Gvardia of

Recently a number of groups seem to have forgotten that ropleplay is not getting suspected and having a shootout, then creating a gangwar and having a shootout, because of that being wanted and having a shootout etc.
While the interaction between cops and criminals, and the interaction between criminals them selves, is a big part of GTA, and also a big part of the roleplay, that does not mean that every situation must end in shooting and killing.
In fact that is what should be avoided unless absolutely needed.

[Mikro]

I definitely agree with what both of you are saying (Luigi and Gandalf). Relations between cops and criminals should become better. Nowadays we are seeing a lot of provoking, moaning and flaming from both sides as well between criminals and between cops. The overall behaviour of all Argonath players should be changed. This starts with the basic respect you should give every player and with the ability to look at things from different sides.

An other thing, which is especially seen between cops and criminals, is that weapons are drawed to fast. For such simple situations as speeding a criminal takes out a combat shotgun and kills the officer, who is alone. This also counts for the cops side. Weapons are to fast unholstered and fired. With this both sides will do this even faster in the future. Cops take their weapons earlier, criminals will also do that. Criminals take their weapons faster, cops will also take them faster.

One thing must not be forgotten in the things I said in the previous paragraph. That is that the cops are supposed to wear weapons and use them to keep the streets save from criminals. And civilians should not wear heavy weaponary for self protection. With the fact that civilians are heavly armed normally, they will also use those weapons directly when they get suspected. Criminals are supposed to do a crime without cops in sight and then run and hide, not keep riding in fast cars past lspd to provoke the cops to come after them.

I hope people will use guns less and go throw their shoes at an officer when they get a fine for speeding or something. Go bribe them, give them candy, throw them cookies, joke with them. Same goes for cops which suspect to fast. But there must be a clear line. Both sides must not go to far and go provoke each other. The criminals must try to evade being suspected and the officer must be kind explaining the criminals fault.

All what I wrote was just my opinion in a peanut-nutshells, and I hope you share it (partly). Also, none of this was pointed more to one side then an other. This is a problem and matter of us all.
 
Owh. I see the argument coming that cops don't use their weapons to keep the streets save and that criminals are protecting civilians more as cops. And this argument will come from officer Panda 
My answer will be: why are you then still going on-duty?  :roll:

[supermanmk]

Just have fun and be something you are not IRL here on argo mobs are not just killing people ( well maybe not all the time ) there are lots of RP situations and mobs should not be treated as DM groups

[[NP]Monte Montague]

I think some are over hyping the current thing.

I've noticed little provocation or such acts which mikro / Gandalf / louis speak of.

I've seen criminals well behaved in terms of rules, i've seen a rise in cops dming though.


I've seen a lot of provocation towards Gvardia in the past from rogue cops. I've seen actually a drop in large scale gang activity. Rise although on Paruni from Argonath Gangs comming there and dming.

[Leon.]

I think some are over hyping the current thing.

I've noticed little provocation or such acts which mikro / Gandalf / louis speak of.

I've seen criminals well behaved in terms of rules, i've seen a rise in cops dming though.


I've seen a lot of provocation towards Gvardia in the past from rogue cops. I've seen actually a drop in large scale gang activity. Rise although on Paruni from Argonath Gangs comming there and dming.

That drop in large scale gang activity is going to sharply rise over the past few weeks, months, or maybe even years, due to a recent event that I cannot share information about.

And yes, cops enjoy provoking us, hence we get punished for saying "fuck off" or "go away", or get punished for so called "MOANING" when we're getting them off our ass.

[Antonio.]

Very much agreed.

[Y2JFaN]

I've seen criminals well behaved in terms of rules, i've seen a rise in cops dming though.


I've seen a lot of provocation towards Gvardia in the past from rogue cops.

So i'm not the only one, good. And of course once some of those 'rogue cops' you speak of find this topic, it will be locked due to the flaming that will happen.

[Leon.]

One of those rogue cops happens to be Giac.


Helicopters exploding are every day situations, and everyone laughs at it, even the crasher themselves, but this time was.... whoa.

[Xander]

Criminal groups and ARPD need to work together to create a fun Roleplaying Environment instead of guns blazing in all directions. Would be awesome to be able to roleplay with everyone .

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

That screen was the day I told every member in that 'gangwar' not to shoot me as I was going to get weapons and leaving, and yet again, i was attacked by almost every person there. Luigi was like the only one that didn't shoot. I'm being honest and not trying to provoke or flame; but it seems Gvardia sees a blue dot, they just shoot and don't care. Even in Anelotti, I had many times where I was just about to leave because of having to be allies with Gvardia. Now, I don't have any problems with anyone in Gvardia, they're all great people and roleplayers, it just seems they're trained to shoot cops and enemies without roleplay. Repeating again, not meant to flame or provoke, but I just know someone will reply with something......