Why can we not be friends

[Aksel]

us cops can be very paranoid at times, we try to roleplay, we try to work it out without having you /gu or even shoot you.  But most of the time in my time in SFPD I am shot with a clip full of combat shotgun when i try this.  After that I learned never ever give a criminal time like that have them /gu first.

this has even happened to me when i go off duty to rp an old man.  I am in my car a cop car pulls me over.  So i attempt to rp but i get suspected for not complying.  Then I am shot so I roleplay getting shot.  The cops come up to me with spray cans aiming at me waiting for a response.  In about ten seconds I am killed.  Why do they do this?  I can understand.  They think I will pull out a gun and begin to attack.  The reputation of criminals to cops has changed completely even if you are not a regular one.

But enforcing this is not a good idea, actually.

[Cero]

That is grounds to have him fired, Aksel. It's been done before.

[Que]

Tommy Lings in a nutshell.
Don't even bother listening to him, Aksel.
I know you could do it better than him all times a day.
He's one of the people who really should take a look at this topic.
This is not offensive, just pure fact, after a statement like that.

[Marting_Riggs]

I read all the posts and would like to say this.

I can see a lot of criminals don't want to /gu and want to rp, I rp without them /gu'ing 1 problem though if i rp cuff them with /me and lead them to my car they shoot me in the back when i see that person again i am not lowering my weapon until they /gu they would of fully lost my trust and would need to work to get that back.

i have been on both sides of the fence so to speak, i was Silver Barzini and Joe Gvardia, when i was Silver Barzini i was both cop and criminal due to new to the server back in June of 2 years ago, Cofi and some other [SM] guys and hells angels all got together and combined are mafia or gang together to form Gvardia. Aftert about a year i noticed Gvardia changing a lot a lot of the old members where leaving and was left with the 4 founders of each group, one day it dawned on me that all we do is load up on combat and in 3 4 door cars fully armed and shoot down some ass or try to kidnap him, if they don't want to rp they get shot right away i didn't like that so i left Gvardia and what i see for the next week and Gvardia coming after me everyday once i log in to the server.

on my cop side i know i can trust some Gvardia to rp others (not going to name) cannot rp if there life depended on it they where recuited to DM. this is the honest truth. Would i like to go back to Gvardia yea but probly not in the near future.

In short i give all criminals a chance to rp and i rp back if they break the trust by shooting me in the back or something i will not trust them for a while unless they give me a reason to trust them.

[Aksel]

That is grounds to have him fired, Aksel. It's been done before.

Tommy Lings in a nutshell.
Don't even bother listening to him, Aksel.
I know you could do it better than him all times a day.
He's one of the people who really should take a look at this topic.
This is not offensive, just pure fact, after a statement like that.

I have, infact decided to go further with this, only because this may have critical consequenses for a new player on the server. Just believe what would happen if Tommy goes around saying things like this to new players.

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=34&topic=10596.0

[hell1989]

Well my post was removed why is this? I cant speak my mind? how can I be friends with people who just delete my topics without warning, or I get banned without warning?

[Gandalf]

Well my post was removed why is this? I cant speak my mind? how can I be friends with people who just delete my topics without warning, or I get banned without warning?

Any post that would make this topic to a cops vs criminals one was deleted.
There are already enough discussions on that subject.

[Cofiliano]

i have been on both sides of the fence so to speak, i was Silver Barzini and Joe Gvardia, when i was Silver Barzini i was both cop and criminal due to new to the server back in June of 2 years ago, Cofi and some other [SM] guys and hells angels all got together and combined are mafia or gang together to form Gvardia. Aftert about a year i noticed Gvardia changing a lot a lot of the old members where leaving and was left with the 4 founders of each group, one day it dawned on me that all we do is load up on combat and in 3 4 door cars fully armed and shoot down some ass or try to kidnap him, if they don't want to rp they get shot right away i didn't like that so i left Gvardia and what i see for the next week and Gvardia coming after me everyday once i log in to the server.

on my cop side i know i can trust some Gvardia to rp others (not going to name) cannot rp if there life depended on it they where recuited to DM. this is the honest truth. Would i like to go back to Gvardia yea but probly not in the near future.

You didn't left Gvardia, you were kicked and banned from Gvardia for lieing to us, people who helped you the most in your in game carrier, with everything.
You actually made up a story that you'll be inactive few months just so you can cover the time you spend on /duty, since back then it was strictly forbiden.

You didn't wanna leave Gvardia, you just wanted to be a cop for few weeks/months, then "freeze" your rank of a Underboss, so you can return later to it.

But you lied to us all, you scammed us by your story, while we were sad  and pissed off cause of "srs real life problems" and we were trying to help you by  supporting you, talking to you about it,  cause of your "Irl troubles" that was made up for your "inactivity" cover up, you  watched all of us and how much we cared to help you out cause of imaginary problems you made up just so you can take a break.

And the "people started to leave Gvardia", Who left? Which Important persons from Gvardia left? Some Trial people or lower ranks? Be real.

Ps-I know that this reply is definitly not placed for this topic, which is about getting back the friendship and sportsmanship, but this is the first and final time, after 7 months, that I reply on his "facts". Once again sorry to all people, who like me try's to build up the casual friendship atmosphere, but this reply was more then required.

[Boromir]

Interesting comments from an ex cop...

And yes I have been thinking about what can be done in scripts, but the problems is not the scripts to be honest, its ourselves, its all of us players....

Scripts do not makes us dm, do not make us want for money...

If they did then why am I not like that ??

its US, the players that make these things, script are a tool for RP, its how we use them tools!

RL analogy

A knife is a tool, does having a knife mean your going to kill someone?
If so then every cook is a killer!
Every doctor is a killer...
Every murderer is a killer...

Is it the tool or the person?

Actually is how you use it, a knife can be used to cut meat, prepare food for eating, to safe lives in operations, but also to kill.

Its the person not the tool thats important...

I cannot agree more...
Yes, we need scripts to roleplay, but not all the time..
Pure RP actually comes from no scripts. You can do anything with just /me.
Some MTA:VC players might know what I am saying.

Before blaming the boredom on the scripts, we should think about the new ways to roleplay on OURSELVES. Like the command /me, you can even use only ONE command to do many many different things to roleplay... Besides, money is not everything.. People's disposition to pursue for money decreases the actual quality of RPs they do... Less money = worse RP... This is a WRONG equation.

[Mr. Goobii]

Maybe it's the players fault but all players have not same considerings and that is why we need script. So everyone can go after something. Some people can't go after a straight line of freedom but some does. That is why these scripts is up..

[Argoplayer]

1 phrase - When you're not in the mood of RP or you're tired, then /q and get some sleep or go outside, no need to ruin other people's mood.

[Jaaskaa]

Funny happened in first CBF post style happened today. There was a huge call-out about a possible gang-war so I went into server to help me mates. Basicaly we followed the cops on the ground, ready to bring in some backup, while they tracked the gang members.

Basicaly not only did no one shot, no one got suspected, but we were also thanked im PM for helping to avoid DM and massacre .... Did we have fun? Yes. Did we bitched a bit because nothing happened? Yes, a bit, because it monopolized almost all law enforcement members. But were we happy to not have a shootout? Yes

Was I happy as manager not to have to give bans and warns and report groups? You BET I was!

All of this because cops decided to speak in, not point their guns and the members of the gangs, they did the same. So it ended up in a very pacific manner and no moaning, no flaming, just people going their way feeling everything went well. There was no winner, there was no looser, there was only some people roleplaying with their friends.

[StanTheMan]

very nice speech i admire it do you study pcycology ? xD

[Jcstodds]

 Cops have more power than they know to create good roleplay.

  /su is a very dangerous command that can obliterate most chances of RP. It puts criminals in a very threatened position so they can give up or fight. If they try to RP, cops can shoot them to speed things up. If they were not /su they are always more willing to go along and RP with you.

   My recommendation to cops is that you only /su if they are shooting or running! (Actually I had a really funny RP foot chase once!) Use /su only if you think that you will be FORCED to kill the suspect. Because even if you take them to jail as non su it will still generate more RP, and they will also be more willing to pay fines etc.

  My experience as a criminal, is that most of the time if you RP rather than shoot you can get a lot more fun out of it. Apart from when you get those cops who will want to jail you no matter what, because criminals are only points to them.

[Que]

Well said, jcstodds.