Need clarification on "cant force RP rule"

[Void]

It is actually a form of forced roleplay and powergaming. Why ?

RP without S/F:

* Gandalf pushes Likvidy

Likvidy stumbles but manages to stay on his feed.

RP with S/F

* Gandalf ushes Likvidy

/em S/f ???
Likvidy: /em sucess
Gandalf: [[do /hurt1]

It shows clearly that by this I am forcing you in to my pre-thought scneario without giving room for improvisation and initiative. As such is is powergaming and forced roleplay.

The bold part is what you consider a force. 85% of the players on this server know commands, I believe Likvidy as an example would know what to do next when you push him.let me show you how I would do it.

*Void approaches Gandalf
*Void hesitates a little holding a cigarette in his hand
*Gandalf looks at Void confused
Void: Dude, got a lighter?
*Gandalf searches his pockets
/em nothing ( Gandalf )
Gandalf: Sorry bro, i left it somewhere

* Void stomps his leg on the ground and walks away angry.

Second situation with S/F.

*Void approaches Gandalf behind his back
*Void reaches his hand in attempt for Gandalf's wallet
*Void tries to snatch the wallet carefully as possible
/em S/F ( The part where Gandalf could feel someone is behind his back, the bridge situation in RP )
*Gandalf turns around rapidly
*Void looks at him and smiles
*Gandalf punches Void

[Gandalf]

You got the wrong concept of role playing.
You just show how lazy you are to RP by typing, Gandalf. Crutch for brainless people? OOC and IC really eases RP, and it is indeed necessary to establish a successful conversation, because if I say some gangster "Nig**r" he can start moaning or report me "OMG saying I'm nig**r, racist", and I would start to justify that was IC. OOC/IC means understanding/direction/getting the maximum out of the situation. You are just making Facebook out of Argonath, by saying this. DOn't judge us, we RP how we want, you RP how you want. Nobody touches nobody.

You are the one who is lazy, as you do not want to use your brains for deciding if something is roleplay or real. As for saying ni**er, cursing and racism is strictly forbidden, regardless if it is IC or OOC.
Our main objection for using IC and OOC is that there are numerous player who wish to use it in order to get away with flaming, swearing and cursing because 'it is IC'. The result of such behaviour is that people and groups actually register this in their brains as real, which is one cause for the current cops vs criminals discussion.
If we strictly enforce the rules on no swearing/cursing the is no reason to make any difference.

[Gandalf]

The bold part is what you consider a force. 85% of the players on this server know commands, I believe Likvidy as an example would know what to do next when you push him.

Your brain seem not to register that I am giving an example on how many player think they are playing correct, while they are actually powergaming and forcing roleplay.

[Likvidy]

You know Gandalf... sometimes your RP style really gets boring , if you will be superman , and you will do success everything . Roleplayer who uses S/F don't makes himself superman to kill other roleplayer's imagination . If you fail , you attempt something else . If you don't respect that type of Roleplay . Don't await to get respected by me. Everyone got their own styles of RP which should be respected . If powergaming wouldn't kill kill roleplay , then that word wouldn't exist and it wouldn't be acted as rulebreak on other RP Servers.

[Void]

The bold part is what you consider a force. 85% of the players on this server know commands, I believe Likvidy as an example would know what to do next when you push him.let me show you how I would do it.

*Void approaches Gandalf
*Void hesitates a little holding a cigarette in his hand
*Gandalf looks at Void confused
Void: Dude, got a lighter?
*Gandalf searches his pockets
/em nothing ( Gandalf )
Gandalf: Sorry bro, i left it somewhere

* Void stomps his leg on the ground and walks away angry.

Second situation with S/F.

*Void approaches Gandalf behind his back
*Void reaches his hand in attempt for Gandalf's wallet
*Void tries to snatch the wallet carefully as possible
/em S/F ( The part where Gandalf could feel someone is behind his back, the bridge situation in RP )
*Gandalf turns around rapidly
*Void looks at him and smiles
*Gandalf punches Void

Again with your theory of forcing. Addition to my post.
This is a role play situation. Tell me, you are a machine so you can recognize what is IC and OOC every time someone approaches for RP or says something to you. Seriously? Respect us, I don't know why you call us "cripples" without brain. If that's someone style, it is his style, it should be respected.

About the brain registering: What has players style have to do with servers commands? If the player is tackled, his brain will know that he needs to do a command to stumble, defend or fell down(Depending what both parties agree on RP)

[Dave]

ArgonathRPG is not an anarchy portal... It is a well organized community with its owners... Do not like our work and rules - leave...

You do not agree with what the owner is saying, you do not have to stay. You also fail to realise that in that quote, when you are asked to leave - there is no declining it. Either you start respecting what this server stands for, and the owners and administrators decisions, or you will find yourself no longer within the community.

[Xander]

Second situation with S/F.

*Void approaches Gandalf behind his back
*Void reaches his hand in attempt for Gandalf's wallet
*Void tries to snatch the wallet carefully as possible
*Gandalf turns around rapidly
*Void looks at him and smiles
*Gandalf punches Void

Fixed.
Dave let them finish their conversation/debate. Its going quite smoothly and Gandalf is explaining what he means while Void explains what he means. Instead of you busting in with a quote demanding that if he dislikes it he should leave lol.

[Void]

You do not agree with what the owner is saying, you do not have to stay. You also fail to realise that in that quote, when you are asked to leave - there is no declining it. Either you start respecting what this server stands for, and the owners and administrators decisions, or you will find yourself no longer within the community.

You seriously don't read posts Dave. Who/When/Where? Find where did I disagree with Argonath rules. I am trying to prove there is nothing different from free flow RP and strict RP, and that they can coexist together. Why do you think, no better yet tell me what do you think because I can't see you from hiding behind owners back. I thought we've solved your insult on Gvardia? I don't know why are you full of hostility. Disrespecting who? Ever heard of debate? or you just consider everything disrespect? This is a simple chat, a conversation about RP. Although it does not belong to the topic. I am not trying to show the REAL RP, there is no real RP. I am trying to  prove stated above.
Last time I reply to you, until you read my replies(and I mean WHOLE, every word).

Regards,

Versetti: Yes it can go that way either, depending on the players needs in RP. 

[Gandalf]

You know Gandalf... sometimes your RP style really gets boring , if you will be superman , and you will do success everything . Roleplayer who uses S/F don't makes himself superman to kill other roleplayer's imagination . If you fail , you attempt something else . If you don't respect that type of Roleplay . Don't await to get respected by me. Everyone got their own styles of RP which should be respected . If powergaming wouldn't kill kill roleplay , then that word wouldn't exist and it wouldn't be acted as rulebreak on other RP Servers.

S/F is equal to powergaming, which is why is should be forbidden.
You do not need to ask everything S/F in order to get a reply, and by just writing your action you leave the other players full possibility to react positive or negative as they want without having to tye extra lines, or without giving you a chance to continue whatever actions you pre-programmed.

[Dave]

Very much indeed. as I stated it before.
This also happened in the Advertisement topic, and Dave starting to pulling out Omri's dirty past.

Frank: You need to tailor RP in between it. By respecting others RP and nurturing yours, something can go wrong, similar to this case.

Actually, Giac brought it up, I followed up, to at which point Ronnel followed closley behind, and then it was finished by Aragorn. Do not blame one person for a collective group's actions...or are you too scared to blame and accuse Gandalf and Aragorn for anything?

Idea: go the hell away. you be a damned crybaby to me when I say one thing or say something about you because your such a hypocrite, but its ok for you to flame and provoke? Your a real class act, Dave. Its funny how you come into a topic and start shitting on groups. how about we shit on you? you would like that? Or would you ban us for defending ourselves after YOU provoked and flamed us? People like you really are saddening... you care when others rulebreak but its fine when you do it.

omg guys im gona say u rulebreak and threaten a ban but then im gonna provoke and flame and rulebreak like u so i can be cool OKAY!??!!?

^ you like people making fun of you? And [s/f] is used to lessen the forced roleplay so the one who is needing to reply s / f can decide if he wants to or not. So stop BSing about us and look at yourself.

Hm, I am not provoking, I am simply giving a counter-argument that you cannot comprehend nor grasp the concept of. You flame me ingame over a forum matter, or provoke me, I have all rights to ban you right on the spot. As I have told many people before forum =/= Ingame. Testing my patience ingame is not a good idea, as I may not just ban you. I have other ways to deal with provokers and complainers. And why cry over anything? Why complain or sit there and take what you throw at me. I'm perfectly entitled to deal with it myself as an administrator.

Argonath administration team will devote their time primarily to keep players following the guidelines. They apply for this knowingly, and will be given rights and levels according to their devotion, ability to help out others and follow the guidelines given to them. Admin rights shall never be given as reward or to show status. Promotions in the admin team will be based on the perception of the developers and main admins, and shall not be given based on seniority. If at any time admins feel not able to continue their devotion to admin guidelines, they are invited to resign. Resigning from admin rights or losing them should not reflect on the players status or recognition as valuable member of the community.

Clearly I am doing something correct because I am still on the team....and I found it easy to get back into the team. Alot of you are probably too used to this generations newer "softer" and "light hearted" admins. I'm from a different wave altogether, I'm from Wave 1 SA:MP 2007 and Wave 4 MTA 2006, along with Giac. Our training is totally different from now, our outlook is different, and our methods of punishment and dealing with situations reflects those of the people who trained us - the owners.

I am an Ex-Developer, not an ex-admin, which gives me a entirely different look from the others, and allows me to see things through the perspective of the owners. Also, for your information, I did not get fired, I did not get forced to resign, I did not rage quit or anything of the sort, I stood down because of a death in my family.

Well why not answer them? And a war over forum is unesseracy really. But he started, nothing to do about it.

There is no war, only a valid counter argument through my eyes, and through the eyes of many others believe it or not.

[Xander]

S/F is equal to powergaming, which is why is should be forbidden.
You do not need to ask everything S/F in order to get a reply, and by just writing your action you leave the other players full possibility to react positive or negative as they want without having to tye extra lines, or without giving you a chance to continue whatever actions you pre-programmed.

For every action there is a reaction.

[Void]

S/F is equal to powergaming, which is why is should be forbidden.
You do not need to ask everything S/F in order to get a reply, and by just writing your action you leave the other players full possibility to react positive or negative as they want without having to tye extra lines, or without giving you a chance to continue whatever actions you pre-programmed.

The line/nit of role playing situation direction doesn't need to be broken. Only if a player is distracted.
He can simply reply(I said can, not must - Message for Dave). /em S or /em F.
More simple is that he executes the task without /em S/F, which will not distract the situation.

Dave: I am blaming the source, and you said "Giac, started it" I'm sick of it. If you want to say something to me use PM instead, I have a low pressure, I don't need you replying to a word out of my post of 230 sentences. Because that's what you do. You grasp a little word and bite like a mosquito. Use PM instead, thank you.

or are you too scared to blame and accuse Gandalf and Aragorn for anything?

Why would I? Gandalf and Aragorn continued the conversation you started. They are human beings, persons with a family, with a life. Just like you and me. I don't have anything to blame them for.

[Blinky17]

As far as the 2nd Happening goes, eugene you left out a very solid piece of evidence.

I had pulled over a car on mako span (ls/lv highway) and was Rping a traffic stop when you eugene, another gvardia and joe_gvardia rolled up on my traffic stop and boxed in my car and car i pulled over, you then stepped out, cornered me and atleast joe pulled out a combat, then once the car i stopped took off (left the rp) you guys took off, i /su joe for brandishing weapon and gave chase, we lost joe but found you and your gvardia friend near blueberry and then did a felony stop , in addition you (i believe) called in extra gvardia who came to ruin the RP(showed up and didnt wanna rp at first), so it went from a felony stop (2-3 gvardia in a car) to 5 gvardias and yeah .. thats the reason you see that response, also reason we waited to /su was we were looking for more backup as 5 cops vs 5 gvardia is a endless gunbattle, however once we did /su you, you didnt even bother to RP it, you decided to just run n gun.

[Likvidy]

I pass to talk about it . It's going to nothing because there are some people who don't respect other RP Styles and call it as "no fun" . That's just word wasting . Bye.

[Gandalf]

*Void approaches Gandalf
*Void hesitates a little holding a cigarette in his hand
*Gandalf looks at Void confused
Void: Dude, got a lighter?
*Gandalf searches his pockets
/em nothing ( Gandalf )
Gandalf: Sorry bro, i left it somewhere

* Void stomps his leg on the ground and walks away angry.

Second situation with S/F.

*Void approaches Gandalf behind his back
*Void reaches his hand in attempt for Gandalf's wallet
*Void tries to snatch the wallet carefully as possible
/em S/F ( The part where Gandalf could feel someone is behind his back, the bridge situation in RP )
*Gandalf turns around rapidly
*Void looks at him and smiles
*Gandalf punches Void

Does the RP really need that line I crossed out? Can you explain me how it is in any way useful except if you wish to make turn-based RP ?

Again with your theory of forcing. Addition to my post.
This is a role play situation. Tell me, you are a machine so you can recognize what is IC and OOC every time someone approaches for RP or says something to you. Seriously? Respect us, I don't know why you call us "cripples" without brain. If that's someone style, it is his style, it should be respected.

Yes, I can register every time someone approaches me and say something if it is roleplay or not. On the other hand I have a style where people can be confused, for instance when I would warn some Don's to change their behaviour or compensate a player which was taken advantage of.
This was usually solved by the player sending me a PM, which saved a lot of cyberbrackets from being abused.

About the brain registering: What has players style have to do with servers commands? If the player is tackled, his brain will know that he needs to do a command to stumble, defend or fell down(Depending what both parties agree on RP)

Exactly my point. Which is why I do not see any need for asking succes or fail.