RP, does it even exist?

[MrFrancis]

This isn't a serious business idea, I want to HELP Argonath. This isn't Argo RPG for nothing. Yes, it's basically a free RP server. Does that mean you should go hunt criminals and make them moan? No.

This isn't Argo RPG? Lol..
With it's system, we are one of the most incredibly unique in all SA:MP servers, ever. Have you ever seen a fun, friendly, freeroam, roleplaying, job inductions and mostly, communication servers? It's very rare... That's what makes Argonath RPG, a world of ITS OWN, UNIQUE.

[Pandalink]

Cophunting... First players annoy cops by driving in front of them, ramming their cars, shouting "F**CKING B*TCHES!", punching, shooting, etc.

I shudder to think who you were spectating, since I have never seen anyone do this that wasn't a child.
The situation you describe above is rare to me, and should not be taken as an example of any side.
Provoking cops like that is immature and in my experience would get you kicked out of many criminal groups.
I do however only speak from experience of my own group and the other mafias. I cannot speak for the street gangs.

cops role is MUCH MORE difficult then play a criminal...

Well, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.
Criminals often get victimised for almost nothing. The same cannot be said for cops or indeed citizens.
When criminals make a point, many simple pass it off as "moaning" or whatever and then the thread gets locked. When cops do the same, they are listened to.

I am not even talking about stupid idea of GS9, where half of server just comes,

You'd have to talk to one of your Community Leaders about that, since he started the GS9 trend that you describe above.

You will not find ANY criminal group, where you WOULD BE BANNED from possibility of being a criminal for shitty quality...

No, but you will find plenty of criminals groups where you would be banned from that group for "shitty quality". Indeed, there is only one "police group" on SAMP (SAPD) so the process is quite the same, except they have no other groups to hop to.

[Leon.]

And what "hunting" I saw most on server? Not a criminal hunting... Opposite! Cophunting... First players annoy cops by driving in front of them, ramming their cars, shouting "F**CKING B*TCHES!", punching, shooting, etc. Then when getting "orange name" - just shooting on site when see any "blue name" around...

I don't know about the other groups, but if I found any Gvardia doing that BS, then byebye2dem. :cool:

For 3-4 days I was active spectating the players from all sides... Newbies, veterans, admins... Criminals, cops, medics, firemen...

Cool, welcome back, brother! inb4gandalf

Did I get any report from cops that time? No... I even pointed to the cops to report such script abuse like this /helpmeup, which usage is 100% permbanable as abusing of script...

What does that say about the cops?

From reading forums for this years I hardly could find 10 topics of cops moaning about criminal-players... But I have read tons of topics from criminal players about how f*cking abusive are cops on Argonath...

Because the sad truth is true... Just yesterday, I was victimized of /su bullying "FOR THE LAWLZ", and I bet you my scrotum that I broke no Argonath laws at that time. I'm so sure, I'm betting my own damn testicles. What does THAT say about some cops?

When you say 'abusive cop', I think the security skin, because they're usually the ignorant ones who INTENTIONALLY remain ignorant of the rules and regulations, yet still manage to falsely suspect people and get away with it. The situation yesterday involved a NOT-NEW cop pulling me over literally for 'going 40 km/h under the speed limit', and upon me pulling over the first time he said so, he suspected me for "EVADING". I was loling so hard, and it took ten minutes out of my time just to deal with some no-brained police officer who finds it funny to victimize other players.
Weeks ago, someone tried to fine me 3k. I said an estimated 7 times via PM, "The maximum ticket limit is $250." He just kept saying "IDC PAY 3K" and "NO PAY 3K I /SU". I reported him once, and LOOKIE HERE, he's getting away with it! Welcome to the abusive cop group! Perhaps we should have a mini-squad of admins specifically designed to deal with bullshit like this!

The experienced cops are the awesome ones. I highly suggest that we restrict joining the police force, or at least have a message box with all of the damn rules of cops when they do /duty, so they have NO fucking lame-ass excuse of "I NO  KNOW RULEZ ADMIN".

[Jingle]

Welcome to Argonath, here you will learn RPing rather seriously in a roleplay server is retarded and you have to focus on getting stats and achievements such as an administrator position, which will help you support the other administrators who think the same, and finally making you close minded to any ideas suggested to fix this situation.
I mean wtf, why put most effort in roleplaying if it says "Argonath RPG" in the host name, that just doesn't make sense!

[newguy]

Fact: Everyone talks about how bad Argo is at the moment.
Fact: No one does anything about it

[Aragorn]

I shudder to think who you were spectating, since I have never seen anyone do this that wasn't a child.
The situation you describe above is rare to me, and should not be taken as an example of any side.

It is rare to you as you do not spectate players in game as I did... For me was enough 4 days to see the "tradition" of getting wanted... And no, you are wrong, people who do this - old players, with their money, properties and even groups memberships...

Well, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.

I am sorry but I cannot count on your opinion here as you have interests in such opinion (criminal group)... When you will provide me ANY case where player was banned from playing a criminal ROLE then we will talk about equalizing chances of cops ROLE and criminal ROLE... And cops actually do not write moan topics as much as criminals do, so here i cannot see rather equal or harder criminal life...

You'd have to talk to one of your Community Leaders about that, since he started the GS9 trend that you describe above.

First of all if you want to be that brave enough you could at least provide me a name of your community leader cos right now you look like a strauss, hiding his head in a sand... Lucky you, I know what you are talking about.
Secondly, I wrote crealy HALF OF SERVER, you successfully removed all this and blaimed only one person which at once changes for me all idea of your words into personal issue...
Thirdly, pointing at me something without knowledges of the situation or my opinion - very poor action and against me it works just negative...

If you REALLY wanted to tell me something - could do it in a decent way...

No, but you will find plenty of criminals groups where you would be banned from that group  for "shitty quality". Indeed, there is only one "police group" on SAMP (SAPD) so the process is quite the same, except they have no other groups to hop to.

You lost totally the point and I am not surprised... You mixed "group" and "role play"...
Once again - ANY example of banning player from ANY "role", except cops... If you will provide me this info - then we can continue talking about equalizinf or waving hands "omfg criminal role is much more harder"...

[Altair_Carter]

So here is the question... Why criminal players are those big moaners then cop players and why they cannot handle the level of cop players in patience and play... Cos with scripts or without - cops role is MUCH MORE difficult then play a criminal...

So here's the answer:

Because people become criminals ONLY in order to fight with others.. Everyone forgets about getting money illegally and other criminal business, only shooting around. There are only rare exceptions.

I dare everyone to prove me wrong.

[newguy]

Happens,Altair.

[JDC]

Remove the blips from your " Mini Map " This will solve everything.. Thats my opinion.. if you wanna know how "That" Will help, i'll be glad to tell you

It will not solve everything, it will limit RP. If you see someone who is about to approach you on radar, then an RP can be instigated. There is no RP between two players who do not know the other is there.


I was going to post a lot but Grzesiek, RON, and Altair basically wrapped it up.

@Panda: I acknowledge that you run a good criminal group and have relations as well with others who also do, but I would have to agree with RON about those immature criminals who go around just to get attention from the cops, as I also encounter them a lot of the time.

It is actually one of the reasons why I prefer situations with suspects such as trained Araatus or Corleone over the majority of criminals who think bad-assing cops is cool only to moan in the end when they pwned due to the consequences of their actions.

people become criminals ONLY in order to fight with others.. Everyone forgets about getting money illegally and other criminal business, only shooting around. There are only rare exceptions.

I have yet to see criminal situations that don't involve bloodbaths. Virtually every situation I can recall in 2 years of fedwork involves a criminal attacking a cop, except for those situations where the suspects were innocent or wanted to play around with the cops in a different manner. Even though, the logic is still about going against cops.


My personal thoughts.

RP is all in the minds of the players, and executing it is about sharing it between each other. If you will sit here complaining about it and how Mr. X won't RP because he always DMs Mr. Y and shoots at Mr. Z, then you won't get anywhere.

What if everyone in the community were newbies, would we still see all this provoking and shitting on each other?

[Jubin]

I'm beginning to think that if everyone in the community (with the exception of the owners) became newbies, things would be a lot better.

What have I done to you JDCdesigns that you want me to become a newbie.

[JDC]

What have I done to you JDCdesigns that you want me to become a newbie.

I didn't seriously mean that everyone should.

It's a lament about everyone shitting on each other, especially on part of the regulars and veterans. Oh well, fixed my post. I used some wrong words anyways.

[Pandalink]

It is rare to you as you do not spectate players in game as I did... For me was enough 4 days to see the "tradition" of getting wanted... And no, you are wrong, people who do this - old players, with their money, properties and even groups memberships...

Well, I've never had any reports of Araatus members doing it in the past, and I've never witnessed it when I was with other groups. Like I said, I can't speak for street gangs or groups I don't play with regularly.

First of all if you want to be that brave enough you could at least provide me a name of your community leader cos right now you look like a strauss, hiding his head in a sand... Lucky you, I know what you are talking about.

Um.. I meant Frank Hawk? o_o
I figured everyone knew that, I wasn't trying to hide that (or indeed take a swipe at Frank Hawk).

Once again - ANY example of banning player from ANY "role", except cops... If you will provide me this info - then we can continue talking about equalizinf or waving hands "omfg criminal role is much more harder"...

Well, the reason people can be banned from cop role is due to /copban.

For future reference, whenever I say "criminal", I always mean someone in a criminal group. That's just the way I've always considered it. Ungrouped citizens who sometimes get suspected are not "criminals" by my definition, they are citizens. Based on that definition, you can (eventually) end up banned from every criminal group on the server, which is effectively a /criminalban of sorts.

Indeed, you can be banned from freecop role through /copban, however a similar command to stop citizens from being suspected would be an advantage rather than a bad thing.

@Panda: I acknowledge that you run a good criminal group and have relations as well with others who also do, but I would have to agree with RON about those immature criminals who go around just to get attention from the cops, as I also encounter them a lot of the time.

Well sure, I never denied that they exist - merely that they don't last long in the better groups if they consistently provoke cops in such a simple and dumb manner.

[jonrb]

My only thoughts on this are that sometimes cops (usually new cops) abuse. Criminals are made paranoid about cops by this abuse and shoot on sight. This makes the honest cops abuse so that they are not killed instantly. It's a vicious cycle.

[Jubin]

I didn't seriously mean that everyone should.

It's a lament about everyone shitting on each other, especially on part of the regulars and veterans. Oh well, fixed my post. I used some wrong words anyways.

[soad103]

Pepper cop scripts haven't changed since 09.  We still had orange suspects and stuff like that.  The problem so many Argo veterans left Argonath.  I remember seeing a lot of people leave in 09.  I do believe some scripts need to be removed but main problem is the players.  Most of the players on Argonath think Argonath is a DM server.


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