No force rp.

[Drillbit taylor]

Lol once some cops took me to some jail in a very small desert town el querbados or something when I gave up in market,LS.....and all 3 of them were lt. plus and 2 were admins    then removed all cars from the town, then I got a car from somwhere a bit far from the town and was going back to LS where I saw in the middle of my journey that they had drowned their car mistakenly and were abandoned in middle of a county still I gave them a ride and they then apologized to me xD 

[EminemRulez]

Lol once some cops took me to some jail in a very small desert town el querbados or something when I gave up in market,LS.....and all 3 of them were lt. plus and 2 were admins    then removed all cars from the town, then I got a car from somwhere a bit far from the town and was going back to LS where I saw in the middle of my journey that they had drowned their car mistakenly and were abandoned in middle of a county still I gave them a ride and they then apologized to me xD 

What goes around, comes around.

[Drillbit taylor]

What goes around, comes around.

TRU TRU 

[Victor]

I agree with Curse here, If you dont want to RP why you are here? Just to drive around ? You got a freeroam server !. To make stunts with NRG ? You got Argonath Stunt Server ? To kill cops ? You got Paruni ? You want to rp ? You got Argonath RPG , seriously Argonath starts to looks like an freeroam server when everyone do what they want...

[Gird3r]

Argonath will and have always been an little bit of freeroam.

It was so in mta:vc, the problem is that we did not moan in the same grade and ammount as SA:MP.

Terms like forced RP and OOC and IC did not exsist at the time. This is why I belivie it was brought in by some players from another server.
In wich form I see as imitating.

Time after time I see arguments as "But there are more players, more moan is expected".
Does that give players the right to moan some more? The problem is mainly that Argonath RPG was built from mta:vc, not the other way around. Therefor, most SA:MP players will really never understand what Argonath RPG's original vision is. I can assure you all it did not include terms such as:

Meta/powergaming, OOC IC, Forced RP, Moan and Scamming.
IRL RPG was introduced by other players aswell, did not exsist (or in an limited way) in mta:vc.

There's also an higher desire for money because there are more scripted things and such "icing on the cake" functions in SA:MP. This ruins the balance.

I count money and scripts + animations are the mere icing on the cake, it's cool to have it. But the main word I go by is FUN.

Go ahead and call argonath an "omfgs unserious rpg server. Damn freeroam shit". But you know what? We had MORE fun that way in mta:vc, we could roleplay something for maybe 10 min or more. When finished. We did small roleplays here and there, and had fun inbetween them.

"But lol OOC IC was not needed because there was fever players on mta:vc as the same time, and the mainchat would be spammed".

/L /S and /W solves the problem of that. Must you OOC and IC because of that?
GTA was never aimed at the complete IRL concept anyways. Jetpacks? Finding weapons on the ground suddenly? Not really IRL in my opinion.

I have been to other servers with the oh-so called IRL RPG. With your OOC and IC shit. Trust me, I got no help at all. I could not enter cars. I could do jack shit except running around. There was like 50 different commands for doing simple things like /me is picking up this stone. Rules stretching 5 pages for simple things of what NOT to do. I saw like 40 players standing in same spot doing NOTHING! Dead silence while the cops there was scamming them for all they was worth...

I will not OOC with brackets, And I will not IC with brackets, I will not OOC IC at all with those terms. I do not need it. Uneccesary bullshit. There was an reason why such people joined Argonath RPG, they saw there was more freedom for once. And not the jail-enviroment that is so common on other RPG servers.

You can go around IC and OOC and "shit in my pants and choose an random number". I will keep myself to the Original vision we had. Wich was FUN, /me /su /jail and an simple rulepage not stretching 5 meters in length... That's all I need to roleplay, the rest is using the brain you got and use your creative mind.

I liked the suggestion some other player had. Send all those moaners an "ZOMG IRL RPG" to mta:vc boot camp, maybe then you will see what the original vision was and still is.

[9r2e5i3k]

/thread. And let that be a lesson to all of you moaners on the lack of RP.

[Caltson]

Think about this;

If you say getting arrested as suspects is forced RP, then why you roleplay getting suspected? If you do not wish to take part in any roleplay situation, then don't get suspected and follow the laws.

Else, enjoy being suspected and keep it fun for yourself AND for the people playing with you (in this case, the officers.)

No fun in suspects shooting cops or the other way around, no fun in that.

[Jamal]

Think about this;

If you say getting arrested as suspects is forced RP, then why you roleplay getting suspected? If you do not wish to take part in any roleplay situation, then don't get suspected and follow the laws.

Else, enjoy being suspected and keep it fun for yourself AND for the people playing with you (in this case, the officers.)

No fun in suspects shooting cops or the other way around, no fun in that.

You must have mis-understood. Forced RP is not breaking a la and acop suspecting you, but a cop suspecting you, in a way... Like If i Pull you over, and say ''You look like a murderer who escaped yesterday..'' /su RyanC Possible escaped murderer | You now have TWO choices: Evade, making your suspection also evasion, and will end with you in jail or dead, OR you can come to PD and have your time wasted over something you didn't do. - Both ways you end up losing. THAT is forced Roleplay, not suspecting someone because they DID break a law, like you thought we were talking about.

Gandalf already answered this Ryan and if you don't understand what I'm saying you can read his description, he made it much clearer.

[JDC]

Caution in advance - I didn't read every post in the topic.

I do agree with everything that Gird3r said though.

I will (re)start by opening a health discussion for the so called "No RP rule" which I hear so much about.

I personally do not understand it and feel it is not as simple as it looks, and something should be done about said rule to make it much more clearer / to remove it all together as I think it's a barrier to spontaneous RP.

I agree with Curse here, If you dont want to RP why you are here? Just to drive around ? You got a freeroam server !. To make stunts with NRG ? You got Argonath Stunt Server ? To kill cops ? You got Paruni ? You want to rp ? You got Argonath RPG , seriously Argonath starts to looks like an freeroam server when everyone do what they want...

Read this.

Argonath RPG was founded in 2006 with a clear target.
The founders were upset with the community they left because of how people treated each other, and how there was a lack of recognition from the administration for the efforts of new players and those who were not in the favour of leaders.

There for it was decided to create a new community that would be open to all people, and where new players were treated same as regulars and veterans. With a new community this was not a problem, as everyone was new and the only veterans were the main leaders.

With the growth of the community over the years, there have been a number of players who do not know about the origins of our community, and the goals that were set when creating it. As a result, there has been a clash between people who feel that they are entitled because of being regulars and the goals and ideas of the owners and developers.

To clarify this, we present our vision.

1.   Argonath was, is, and will always be a community that should be friendly to new people. We will continue to be  a breeding ground for new people to discover the fun of playing by imagination. This is what has brought us official status and creates a regular flow of new players in to our server, keeping the community alive and feeding it.

2.   Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.

3.   Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.

4.   Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.

5.   Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community

6.   Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.

7.   Argonath administration team will devote their time primarily to keep players following the guidelines. They apply for this knowingly, and will be given rights and levels according to their devotion, ability to help out others and follow the guidelines given to them. Admin rights shall never be given as reward or to show status. Promotions in the admin team will be based on the perception of the developers and main admins, and shall not be given based on seniority. If at any time admins feel not able to continue their devotion to admin guidelines, they are invited to resign. Resigning from admin rights or losing them should not reflect on the players status or recognition as valuable member of the community.

8.   Argonath recognizes that a part of the community is underage. There for the following shall be prohibited:
a.   Swearing, flaming and insulting. Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only,  administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.
b.   Promotion of usage of alcohol, drugs and other stimulating substances. We respect the freedom of choice, however people should be respecting that others who have different beliefs and choices have this right as well
c.   Explicit sexual content. While within roleplay and discussion a certain freedom is granted, the underage community should be protected from eplicit sexual actions or content.
d.   Cyberharrasment, stalking and bullying of players based on their belief, views, race or choices in life.

9.   Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations.  This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.

10.   Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.

I hope everyone will take the time to read this, and take this as their core values.

This is the Argonath Vision, which is supposed to stand as the guideline for every Argonath player.

If anyone does not like it then no one stops them from leaving.

The removal of the "no forcing RP" rule means people will be allowed to force RP. In the case of suspection, unless the command is misused by the cop (i.e: preying on AFK / innocent people), it is the suspect who enters into an RP by creating a reason for the cops to suspect them.

Unless this topic is not about removal of "no forcing RP" rule?

[Mikro]

Argonath will and have always been an little bit of freeroam.

~big text~

Well said! +1

You must have mis-understood. Forced RP is not breaking a la and acop suspecting you, but a cop suspecting you, in a way... Like If i Pull you over, and say ''You look like a murderer who escaped yesterday..'' /su RyanC Possible escaped murderer | You now have TWO choices: Evade, making your suspection also evasion, and will end with you in jail or dead, OR you can come to PD and have your time wasted over something you didn't do. - Both ways you end up losing. THAT is forced Roleplay, not suspecting someone because they DID break a law, like you thought we were talking about.

Gandalf already answered this Ryan and if you don't understand what I'm saying you can read his description, he made it much clearer.

No, you don't understand him. And I don't fully understand what you wrote.. Maybe write a little better?

To the point. Ryan was not talking about getting suspected for the reason you stated. But getting suspected for shooting or something (which is a crime, unlike the suspecting reason you stated). The scene you were talking about, was an abusive suspection. Ryan was not talking about such suspections.

[Gird3r]

I would also like to see that admins start becoming an bit harder in punishing.
We did not sit by and watch as some regulars dming. Did you dm as an regular even ONCE! Well.. things did not look bright.

We kicked regulars who was intetnionally deathmatching, no warn here. Straight kick.

Especially if they killed an new player. I'm not going to blame all admins in SA:MP, but some of you need to start taking those gloves off and protect Argonath, especially our new players. Yes that includes scamming the new players since I see no fucking reason why an common regular should have the right to ruin another new players game here in Argonath RPG by scamming them.

And logically, those new players that did get scammed will usually be the ones who ask for money all the time in mainchat. SO use your logic and start punishing regulars who scam new players. That way we also get less begging in the mainchat. Common sense.

[soad103]

Think about this;

If you say getting arrested as suspects is forced RP, then why you roleplay getting suspected? If you do not wish to take part in any roleplay situation, then don't get suspected and follow the laws.

Else, enjoy being suspected and keep it fun for yourself AND for the people playing with you (in this case, the officers.)

No fun in suspects shooting cops or the other way around, no fun in that.

THIS +1

If you're a suspect who has killed so many cops repeatedly doing crimes.  If I arrest you you're going straight to mordor or getting an execution.  I hate it when they play the "OMG YOU CAn't FORCERPMAN" card.  If you become a suspect and kill cops expect the harsh treatment.

[Jamal]

Well said! +1


No, you don't understand him. And I don't fully understand what you wrote.. Maybe write a little better?

To the point. Ryan was not talking about getting suspected for the reason you stated. But getting suspected for shooting or something (which is a crime, unlike the suspecting reason you stated). The scene you were talking about, was an abusive suspection. Ryan was not talking about such suspections.

I do not understand you  , What I read is that Ryan said was that people shouldn't say 'Forced RP' for being arrested, and we were talking about cop Pulling one over and infering he is a bank robber or something, so he suspects him for 'Possible Bank robber' - Suspect is now in a lose lose situation.. he can't evade or run away because his crime will become valid (evasion), and if he stays and does what the cop says he could still get framed and sent to jail and or Have to have his time wasted on an interrogation, and lets say the player was trying to go some place and did not have much time, Cop has no right to force him as a suspect and leaving him 2 lose-lose options... Sure, he can pull; him over like a traffic stop, but not forcing him into a suspect roleplay.

[Leon.]

I would also like to see that admins start becoming an bit harder in punishing.
We did not sit by and watch as some regulars dming. Did you dm as an regular even ONCE! Well.. things did not look bright.

We kicked regulars who was intetnionally deathmatching, no warn here. Straight kick.

Especially if they killed an new player. I'm not going to blame all admins in SA:MP, but some of you need to start taking those gloves off and protect Argonath, especially our new players. Yes that includes scamming the new players since I see no f**king reason why an common regular should have the right to ruin another new players game here in Argonath RPG by scamming them.

And logically, those new players that did get scammed will usually be the ones who ask for money all the time in mainchat. SO use your logic and start punishing regulars who scam new players. That way we also get less begging in the mainchat. Common sense.

Scamming a new player is a STRAIGHT BAN in SA:MP. I don't know where you're hearing all of this shit about SA:MP admins not kicking it up for new players, but wherever you heard it or whoever you heard it from, are full of shit.

[Dan_The_Noob]

Scamming a new player is a STRAIGHT BAN in SA:MP. I don't know where you're hearing all of this shit about SA:MP admins not kicking it up for new players, but wherever you heard it or whoever you heard it from, are full of shit.

agreed,  new players get it so good compared to the regulars alot of the time... 

Newbie vs Regular
New player Kills Regular

Regular /report New Player DMing

admin "has a talk" with New player

New Player gets second chance

New Player continues DM

Different Admin has talk with same Newbie

And repeat

Regular vs Newbie

Regular Defends himself from DMing new player and announces "stop" repeatedly

Admin freezes Regular

New player Kills Regular

Regular gets kick/tempban for DMing new player

OWNED