No force rp.

[Jamal]

It does not matter if there was 1 admin or 100. If people did not cry to admins for everything, we WILL get a lot less reports on deathmatchers as people would be able to deal with most things (except hackers- that's where we always came in) themselves.

In old days, players even practiced their skills on hackers.

lets ban those 'people' then and stop being so easy. if someone moans [i mean moans, not give their opinion] ban them on the spot. That will influence not only the banned but those who saw it - they will think 'well i shouldnt talk about it because i dont want banned' rather than 'its cool all i gotta do is say sorry and i wont get in big trouble.'

Yep. Was the reason I "resigned" as a developer...the player's attitude, not the administration. As basically....what the administration and developers say - goes. Simple as that, but some players can still not grasp that fact and come at us with shitty attitude and personal attacks.

players players players. always the players fault isn't it? The least you can do is sum it down to 'the moaners' not 'the players' you make it sound like everyone thats not an admin or or what some would  call, a 'wanna  be admin' is bad and is the reason you couldnt handle your position.

As far as i see it this will never stop for 1 reason. Both sides have not necessarily experienced the others side.

i.e. normal players [without mod/admin powers] can not realize that being admin is harder than typing /kick or /ban or /warn, that it requires hard work and determination. And Admins/mods [well, most] can not realize being Dmed constantly and seeing rulebreakers or being victims of rulebreakers and seeing them go unpunished is so frustrating. as an admin you are protected by this because you have the power to straight on deliver punishment.

to sum it up; Players and admins do not experience the others situations daily so they can't really relate which is why there is so much disagreement, and Players rely on admins to respond to their reports, and admins rely on players to report rulebreakers since the admins can not see everything - and the problem is that there are so many rulebreakers and not enough admins that can respond to those reports, meaning some rulebreakers will go on unseen.

[Void]

......
to sum it up; Players and admins do not experience the others situations daily so they can't really relate which is why there is so much disagreement, and Players rely on admins to respond to their reports, and admins rely on players to report rulebreakers since the admins can not see everything - and the problem is that there are so many rulebreakers and not enough admins that can respond to those reports, meaning some rulebreakers will go on unseen.

Yes, we can relate, as admins were players before and still are, just with extra handful of command.
We got Dmed before, moaned, felt abandoned et cetera.

When it comes to regular players they cannot understand how it is to be ripped apart between 20 reports(19 of them false) and capitals users in main chat saying how the admins and the server suck.Quite discomforting and stressful.

[JDC]

i.e. normal players [without mod/admin powers] can not realize that being admin is harder than typing /kick or /ban or /warn, that it requires hard work and determination. And Admins/mods [well, most] can not realize being Dmed constantly and seeing rulebreakers or being victims of rulebreakers and seeing them go unpunished is so frustrating. as an admin you are protected by this because you have the power to straight on deliver punishment.

to sum it up; Players and admins do not experience the others situations daily so they can't really relate which is why there is so much disagreement, and Players rely on admins to respond to their reports, and admins rely on players to report rulebreakers since the admins can not see everything - and the problem is that there are so many rulebreakers and not enough admins that can respond to those reports, meaning some rulebreakers will go on unseen.

You sir, fail epicly at this comparison.

As stated by Void, we were players and we still are. We did not get admin rights on our first entry to the server, we earned them after months and years of being players, of being DMed, flamed, attacked by hackers, and everything.

Admins still experience all the shits that players experience- in fact we have MORE shits coming to us than regular players. Yes, we can deal with it in a faster manner, but we still get those shits coming. Players only have to look out for themselves while admins are there for everyone on the server.

Inb4 people pointing their fingers at me moaning about how admins have it so hard, I am not here to complain about admin job. I love it despite all the shit it brings- why did I still not resign (I never even complained about my post as moderator... yes, I love being one) even though I don't get any uber-special treatment or free money or etc?

So do not for one second complain that admins do not relate to player situation...

[Aragorn]

Were there admins at that time, when you saw the moaners?

Yeah... Me...

[Aragorn]

Seriously!? When anyone else does that now a days, they get frowned on and bitched at just because they didn't stand still and go "DMING ISNT ALLOWED DMING ISNT ALLOWED DMING ISNT ALLOWED" 10000 times to a non-English speaking random DMer who didn't give two flying f**ks if he got banned or not.
Speaking from experience, btw.

When anybody does that nobody cares... And that is the correct position... If player met a dmer, was attacked, he has all rights to kill the dmer...

The same time he has no rights to start crying about his wanted level and demands unsuspection... Either avoid attacker, run away how its done in real life, if people see the crazy guy with the gun...
And he is not welcomed to start crying especially if he loses the battle against dmer, what most of you do... When fought the dmer back, got killed, and start screaming "OMFG A DMER!"... I would personally ban faster such "veteran" then a noob dmer who attacked him...

Fight/Die or Run away when see a dmer... Not a big business, erh? Otherwise all this screams about Argonath not being a real life roleplay sucks like your pants on that picture and BTW non-official warning for offense to Oliver's post...

[Aragorn]

lets ban those 'people' then and stop being so easy. if someone moans [i mean moans, not give their opinion] ban them on the spot.

Since when moan became be not an opinion?

There are thousands of players... And who moans? All the same... Around 20-30 moaners we have constant... And it looks much more because moaning is the one thing to express and throw... Nobody, who is happy with Argonath, will go and scream "OMFG I love Argonath!!!" That does not need if all is ok...

That is why moaners spoil the atmosphere in the community... Because all what we see here - moaning about everything around... The most funny, we ask moaners to leave the server if they do not like our players, roleplay style and admins team... And what? Any of them left? No... Even bring here their friends... Wahaha? For sure...

Moaners should face the facts... If they are still here and do not want to switch to the "zomg roleplay" servers then the things are really different then they fart here and should drop the shit... In other words - count all "Yes" and "No" and realize - that their farts do not help the servers be developed in a friendly way it was usually on Argonath...

Once I set a task to admins team to ban all who moan constantly on server... And trust me, if things will not be changed nowadays, I will request to admins to clean the community once again...
What people do with spoiled fruits? Throw it out...

[Altair_Carter]

Yes you will be called a dmer and personally banned by me if I will see it, as it has nothing to do with what I was writing... Do not be scared to face dmers and to be a dmer yourself - different things...

This statement is nothing to do with what I was writing.

If you still can't understand: I meant that if any freecop abuses me, i'll shoot him off with all my guns i have. I am a criminal now, basically, and my actions will be simply avoiding of punishment, and it's all legit.

But thanks for info about your past abusing of the duty command...

That was not an abuse, if you read wrong. What I abused was entering cars to get shotgun.

[Altair_Carter]

Once I set a task to admins team to ban all who moan constantly on server...

Before they do it, please tell them that moaning = / = opinion.

[Gandalf]

Before they do it, please tell them that moaning = / = opinion.

Afraid ?  :devroll:

[Altair_Carter]

Afraid ?  :devroll:

I actually am quite afraid that some of the admins will think that opinion is moaning so they should ban people off the server.

[Jamal]

Yes, we can relate, as admins were players before and still are, just with extra handful of command.
We got Dmed before, moaned, felt abandoned et cetera.

When it comes to regular players they cannot understand how it is to be ripped apart between 20 reports(19 of them false) and capitals users in main chat saying how the admins and the server suck.Quite discomforting and stressful.

As i said - You DO experience how it feels to be DMed, and are at chance to be at victim of it as regular players - but you do not experience that you have no power against the rulebreaker [in this situation DMer] except for /report of defending yourself(Which may lead in the defending player being punished anyway). I like how JDC tried to make it seem like iwas saying admins were bad because they have admin powers, he failed at it though, and also failed completely in his post because he did not understand what I meant, like void. To clarify; I meant you DO experience these 'shits' but you do not experience [at least, now now] how you are defenseless except to breaking rules yourself or /report'ing. Which is also why i later said Players depend on admins to respond to reports, and admins respond on players to alert admins of these rulebreaks so they admins can fulfill their duty and make the server 1 rulebreaker less. Not in one fucking place did I say what you framed me of saying. Whether you misread my post or fully being a jackass to make it seem like i was calling admins bad for having power to stop rulebreaks, i cleared what i said.

Since when moan became be not an opinion?

What do you mean by this? I guess it was a typo but I am going to guess you meant 'since when was moan not an opinion.'  - Well When someone gives their opinion, sometimes players feel the need to shout and give a 5 minutes speech 'Stop moaning. you moaners are wat ruin the server' Even if the player was just sharing his dislike for something. [Although their right about moaners ruining server]

Example: I tell a cop he did not follow proper police procedures, and I tell him how to do it correctly. Yes, maybe i threw in a little frustration, like saying 'that wasn't the right procedure! what the fk makes you do that?!' and you know what he said? 'Stop moaning.' All i did was laugh. I even clarified the procedure later with an admin, and he agreed with what I had told the cop. Will go into detail if needed.

[Aragorn]

Example: I tell a cop he did not follow proper police procedures, and I tell him how to do it correctly. Yes, maybe i threw in a little frustration, like saying 'that wasn't the right procedure! what the fk makes you do that?!' and you know what he said? 'Stop moaning.' All i did was laugh. I even clarified the procedure later with an admin, and he agreed with what I had told the cop. Will go into detail if needed.

Tell me the time on server I will check logs as I never saw players telling "stop moan" to the guys who guide a newcomer with the proper police procedure...

Moaning is a style of people express their opinion... Everything people tell - it is their opinion... Nothing comes from their mouths forced, except you have a gun pointed into your head...

Who are moaners? Those, who constantly try to attract attention by complaining... Who do think they are always right and do not give a f**k if that was a mistake a circumstances or whatever... Who think that by shitting others (especially newcomers) they grow in the eyes of community... Who do constantly wave their dirty pants and do not do anything to wash it but pretend that will do admins/newcomers/Argonath veterans... Who do think the world is turning around them and have no brains to understand the reality... Those who were always hiding behind mum's skirt when something goes not as they want...

In other words, as Russians say, the bad dancer always blames his big balls...

Moaners are demanders and actually very annoying...
Expressing opinion can be done in different ways and some of them we do not allow like flame, insult, provokes, constant annoying, etc... Moaning is a part of this...
It does not give any positives... It only ruins the atmosphere inside community, as moaners use the simple thing: as I said, if things are going ok, people do not need to post about it... With that all what others read in community they like - moaners...
That annoys community, that annoys admins, that annoys owners...
So basically we have all rights to set admins watch to the code red for moaners...

[Leon.]

like your pants on that picture

Aw man, you don't like them? Is it the color?

In other words, as Russians say, the bad dancer always blames his big balls...

Sve je sranje osim pishanje, a i pishanje uz vetar je sranje.

[Aragorn]

Aw man, you don't like them? Is it the color? Sve je sranje osim pishanje, a i pishanje uz vetar je sranje.

I am not a fetishist...
As about something in the end, apart word "sranje" i did not get anything...

[Void]

Sve je sranje osim pishanje, a i pishanje uz vetar je sranje.

Everything is shitting except pissing and pissing by the wind is shitty.


Jamal you must get one thing, admins cannot function without the players. /report is your command, you hold the power and you(players) wage the mood on the server.Yes you are correct, however I have one thing to say:

You are sitting in front of a PC, you are not going to die.Hello!?Defend, kill, bite, melee, eat, scream.Fight for yours!
Defend against a DMer. if he attacks you, /report.If he continues, take the initiative. Stand for yourself.
When you kill him, explain him that DM is not allowed. Nothing better then whipping the floor with him then giving him a lesson he won't forget.