No force rp.

[Altair_Carter]

Vision = Creed

Why did I ever mention Assassin's Creed in this topic.

[Jamal]

The owners can disallow any principle at will, by power. If RON chose to ban IC/OOC from Argonath, not even the Community Leaders can question it.
 
As for Leon...
Such statements have even been invoked by owners themselves, in harsher forms. (I.E: IC/OOCers should f*ck off -Aragorn)
This does not mean though that I condone every incident in which a conservative makes such harsh statements about anything, but IC/OOC is a particular kind of subject, so do not be suprised if the Owners and the people who stand by them speak out openly against it in a controversial manner.

Want to answer my argument in my 2nd to last post in here? I have a valid argument and your too full of yourself you don't want to risk losing your special argument.

lso Gandalf said IC/OOC will not be banned and disallowed but it ISNT allowed to enforce it as a real rule, even saying 'It never will be' a rule.

[Caltson]

Want to answer my argument in my 2nd to last post in here? I have a valid argument and your too full of yourself you don't want to risk losing your special argument.

lso Gandalf said IC/OOC will not be banned and disallowed but it ISNT allowed to enforce it as a real rule, even saying 'It never will be' a rule.

This is not a contest, no winning or losing here.

As for the rest, aslong you have fun along with the rest, what does IC/OOC matter??

[Void]

As for the rest, aslong you have fun along with the rest, what does IC/OOC matter??

This is the point I have been proving for quite some time.

[Leon.]

This is the point I have been proving for quite some time.

[JDC]

@Jamal:
A 150 Player server will obviously not have the exact same attitude as a 26 player server.
However, there is one organization that wields the power to promulgate any principle and attitude in the server: The Admin Team.
The only thing left is the authorization to do so.
 
As for Gandalf on IC/OOC, he didn't say that it will NEVER be disallowed from the server (as a matter of fact, Aragorn has already warned about disallowing it by power- which he can do) What Gandalf did is state that it is not disallowed, but neither supported.
 
For Phantom's point on Disallowing Of IC/OOC:
By your words, you seem to imply that we need IC/OOC to progress as a server or we will be stuck in our past with a future that isn't good.
You're not fucking serious, are you?

[rJCaiG]

OOC / IC matters as it limits RP, imagination and makes people not think for themselves...And rely only on the holy brackets to decide the context in which people are saying things..

If we were in an RP traffic stop, then I said all of a sudden in /l "brb, my mum needs me", would you think I meant IG? You would think I meant that a cop on a traffic stop got a phone call from his mother and has to abandon the traffic stop to go help her move something in the house? No.
Figuring out context requires only a few brain cells, which we all mostly have (Sorry, Jamal).

[Caltson]

OOC / IC matters as it limits RP, imagination and makes people not think for themselves...And rely only on the holy brackets to decide the context in which people are saying things..

If we were in an RP traffic stop, then I said all of a sudden in /l "brb, my mum needs me", would you think I meant IG? You would think I meant that a cop on a traffic stop got a phone call from his mother and has to abandon the traffic stop to go help her move something in the house? No.
Figuring out context requires only a few brain cells, which we all mostly have (Sorry, Jamal).

I can say i don't support OOC/IC, but i don't mind if a person comes up to me using them, since they feel better using it.
If people feel better using it, they will also peform better during their roleplay, so i don't support to deny them using it.
Afterall, we all know that using brackets, even in the writing of books, is meant to be out of context, the name OOC/IC is just a term that is getting used for it.

[Void]

You're not f**king serious, are you?

I think economically.
How many people will leave if you disallow this principle? Yes, my point as Bitching will increase even more then now.
"OMG where is freedom, why can't I RP how I want"


I did not say we should keep it. What I am trying to promote is equality, and if you tried to do the same instead of sitting on the other PC screen insulting people with "OMG you need brain cells, no brackets" things would be a lot different.

You need to understand that what I am promoting here is not IC/OOC nor any other principle.
I am not for forbiding it.
I am not for endorsing it as a rule.

I am here for this:

If people feel better using it, they will also peform better during their roleplay, so i don't support to deny them using it.

You, JDC, just keep attacking me(Not attacking as insulting or flaming) like I am a flamboyant IC/OOC supporter. You got the wrong image of me.

Don't inverse my post and try to answer to the fact that I like freedom and equality.
Can you counter reply to that?

[Jamal]

@Jamal:
A 150 Player server will obviously not have the exact same attitude as a 26 player server.
However, there is one organization that wields the power to promulgate any principle and attitude in the server: The Admin Team.
The only thing left is the authorization to do so.

Thank you for answering, but I was using that argument for you saying the server is filled with moaners, and you compared it to a 26 player server. the only thing thats the same is the server and some of those 26 players from the original server.

I understand you may be just showing it was much better at that time, but I was seeing you were comparing the two, which is completely illogical.

[JDC]

Answering to Phantom...
 
I see no wrong in being for freedom and equality. These two ideals happen to be key components of the Argonath Vision which I revere so highly.
 
However, you need to understand as well that freedom has certain limits and that certain things from one place are not supposed to be spread to just anywhere.
 
To constitute an example, the idea of polygamy which is practiced mostly in Muslim countries (not saying it is a muslim ideal- I am just citing a location reference) would be unwelcome and offensive if brought into a country with a culture that has a high regard for monogamy.
 
Argonath was a community that has come to highly prize fun roleplay where the involved players use their brains and imaginations, leading to the emergence of Argonath RP that became the ideal in the old days of the server.
 
I have several reasons for being against IC/OOC, and I will state two of the most important ones here.
 
1. It does not belong here: It is a concept that originated on "hardcore roleplay" servers where the interaction was based on Rule And Script rather than Intellect And Imagination.
2. It opposes one of the key aspects of The Vision: In addition to being a set of rules from other servers, IC/OOC is one of the key elements of a server with a complicated web of rules- exactly one me the scenarios the owners did not want for Future Argonath.
 
People have the freedom to do whatever they want here on Argonath, as long as they do not contradict the rules and ideals of the community.
 
The server will not become a bloody box if IC/OOC is disallowed, as Argonath Roleplay is not the only other way to play that we have available for our players. However, by your words, you seem to imply just that- therefore, you are endorsing it in a way. This may not be your ultimate motive, but it is what I see when I read your posts.
 
If people want to turn Argonath to IC/OOC, then they should leave and go to an IC/OOC server. We are not just another one of the 9000 RP server out there.
 
I find it funny how some people prefer to stand by Gandalf's words more as they are not comfortable with Aragorn's approach.

[Void]

To constitute an example, the idea of polygamy which is practiced mostly in Muslim countries (not saying it is a muslim ideal- I am just citing a location reference) would be unwelcome and offensive if brought into a country with a culture that has a high regard for monogamy.

This is a good example, however this principle is not the main issue of it.
It came here long time ago, its not creeping into the community as we speak. Its rooted among players, they don't see the difference anymore.

Players that use this kind of role play aren't excommunicated nor hated when they log into the game session. Do you see any hate when someone logs in, such as "Noob RPer who uses IC/OOC"?. I have never seen it, because the whole concept is already blended into the community..

[JDC]

Yes, the whole concept has already blended into the community, when is shouldn't have.
That is why Aragorn and the Conservatives are upset about it. Refer to my signature, complete with links.
 
Contrary to popular perception, we are not for the stifling of freedom.
We are against others bringing other servers' rules to this community.

[Void]

upset about it.

People are people.
They like to e-drama. The moaners can easily start an avalanche which changes the server atmosphere.
We should not let these things happen. They ought to get a temporary ban. If they don't chill in the mean time, this game isn't for them.
They'll get a peptic ulcer. 

More awaits, you should not worry about who does and who doesn't support this. Just play the game.
You have the sufficient power to exterminate these moaning clubs.

Start practicing what you preach.

[JDC]

Are you implying that the actions of Aragorn and the Conservatives are those of moaners or were your statements directed to the IC/OOC promulgators?
 
And secondly, I already have zero tolerance for the moaners and shitters ingame, and I put it into practice.