In character and Out of character discussion

[Leon.]

MetalLuigiX

What will happen, if you go on other RP server and start chillin around as on Argonath? With no OOC/IC shit?

If you mean that I don't have an option between using IC/OOC or not (I can only use one or the other), then I could cope, but it'd get boring as the server only opens to one group of people (e.g., non-IC/OOC users only), as opposed to Argonath (<3) being open to BOTH groups of people.

What that means is you want to stay on point. When your writing an essay your proving something and when you write your Intro paragraph you want to Start broad then go into your Thesis aka your theme. Say my theme is about how Blue is better than green but they are still each a color. Then Body paragraph 1(if its a small 4 paragraph essay) will be about Blue. The 2nd body paragraph will be on green, yes you would add in why Green is worse or in paragraph 1 why blue is better. The point is stay on topic. I won't be talking about how blue is a really good color but yet Red is pretty decent as well and orange is cool too. That totally obliterates the essay and i can guarantee that if you were to hand it in to a teacher or Professor or whatever you would get a terrible grade. Now if you stay on point then you will get a decent grade. We are taught here in America that when we write we need to have a point and stick to it. Not to go off on some other topic, if you stay Blue and Green then it will be organized and be better overall. Now i don't know if where you live you can write up a load of information that is not relevant to each other and do good. But we are taught to make it look decent and such.
Either or, this topic is not about writing skills, Roleplay types and things like that. What it is on is how Aragorn was treated as a UC new player. The way he was treated was terrible and people need to quit the nonsense and re-read the first post to understand what it was about. Im done and i hope people take Aragorns first post into consideration.

Rule 25.

[9r2e5i3k]

If you mean that I don't have an option between using IC/OOC or not (I can only use one or the other), then I could cope, but it'd get boring as the server only opens to one group of people (e.g., non-IC/OOC users only), as opposed to Argonath (<3) being open to BOTH groups of people.

You can use it in a closed group (let's say, when playing in Gvardia HQ with your gang mates). In this situation no one limits you. Groups can make up as many internal rules as they like.

I didn't do it on my school time i typed it in 15 minutes before school even started.

You're still requiring me to know when do you go to school. Like I need to know, or even care.

If you feel that it's not good, i know its not perfect but its a bland example, then you should come up with a way to perfectly roleplay in your world. If you fail to do so i will disregard the rest because like i said, you aren't taking off your blinders.

Example for what?
I'm not the one stating that things in a decent role-play can get mixed up. Why should I prove your point?

[Leon.]

You can use it in a closed group (let's say, when playing in Gvardia HQ with your gang mates). In this situation no one limits you. Groups can make up as many internal rules as they like.

I respectfully think you misinterpreted what I said on your quote.

[Xander]

You can use it in a closed group (let's say, when playing in Gvardia HQ with your gang mates). In this situation no one limits you. Groups can make up as many internal rules as they like.
You're still requiring me to know when do you go to school. Like I need to know, or even care.
Example for what?
I'm not the one stating that things in a decent role-play can get mixed up. Why should I prove your point?

Take off your blinders. Until you do this, your impossible to talk to because you always feel like your right. I don't require you to know anything as far as me going to school...i said i typed it up 15 minutes before school...Common Sense says that i obviously typed it up in the morning and i don't party all night every night i sleep. You expect me to write up a college grade type of paper to please you so you can yet again shoot it down with your dense information.
My overall point from where i have started reading this topic to now is....*drum roll*....
That people need to learn to quit criticizing other people's form of roleplay, in doing so you are disrespecting them due to the criticism. Therefore the ones who are criticizing and preaching about the 'Argonath Image' are also tainting the image. How may you ask? Quite Simple If you read through it you notice that the Leaders were getting tired of the lack of respect among community members in their old community(Look at how people treat each other now  ), so they decided to make their own. They did a splendid job if i may say. Now as far as you tainting it...thats right your disrespect about other people's roleplay is in fact tainting it. If you disagree with this, please....Feel free to read from page 1 to page 7 and im sure you will see what im saying. Also i recommend you do re-read the Argonath image so you know what your looking for, it will aid in you picking out information that is necessary and relevant to my point.
Thank you.

[Leon.]

My overall point from where i have started reading this topic to now is....*drum roll*....
That people need to learn to quit criticizing other people's form of roleplay, in doing so you are disrespecting them due to the criticism. Therefore the ones who are criticizing and preaching about the 'Argonath Image' are also tainting the image. How may you ask? Quite Simple If you read through it you notice that the Leaders were getting tired of the lack of respect among community members in their old community(Look at how people treat each other now  ), so they decided to make their own. They did a splendid job if i may say. Now as far as you tainting it...thats right your disrespect about other people's roleplay is in fact tainting it. If you disagree with this, please....Feel free to read from page 1 to page 7 and im sure you will see what im saying. Also i recommend you do re-read the Argonath image so you know what your looking for, it will aid in you picking out information that is necessary and relevant to my point.
Thank you.

Basically a TL;DR version of everything I just wrote regarding this subject, for you lazy people out there.
And a TL;DR version of what he just said (lazy -.-)...
You criticizing (and putting hate) on how other people roleplay pleading that it "goes against the Argonath Vision" is YOU going against the Argonath Image and YOU spreading false interpretations, and all disrespect towards roleplay styles should be dropped.
C'mon guys...Argonath is a relaxed roleplay server, but doesn't necessarily have to BE a strictly relaxed roleplay server (e.g., NO FUCKING IC/OOC OR BAN). Argonath is open to all styles, genders, and types of roleplay. Keep it that way, and stop downing other styles of roleplay (e.g., you saying IC/OOC is stupid and anyone who uses it is incapable of properly roleplaying and using their brain, as many of you would insultingly and falsely say).
@Xander
Brilliant minds think alike :cool:

[Aragorn]

Funny how you guys did not answer my small question on page 6...

Its nice to defend the OOC/IC and to ignore that with its usage you implement into Argonath the rule from other server, which is not in Argonath rules at all...

What will happen to you on those RP servers where is this OOC/IC shit and start talking like on Argonath?
You do not answer because its clear: you will be banned...

Then why you want Argonath to use other servers rules?

I can say how we see it... It is just disrespect to the Argonath rules... Our rules you do not follow but f**king trying to implement the other servers rules...

I am really pissed of reading thie two f**king pages... And if two piece of OOC/IC will not f**king stop to bring into Argonath this stupid rule from other servers I will just f**king disallow it by power...

Wanna OOC/IC? Then f**k off from Argonath... FFS...

[Gandalf]

Since you cannot pull out information from text i will give you a tip. Click the 6 to travel to page 6 to find your answer. Very simple.

So you mean to say that you made a point on page 6 and then start to digress randomly with rants about colours and other things, yet wish to tell other people that they should stay to the point ? Interesting way of getting it across, and it seems rather contrary to what they teah you to do.

[Squeak]

Oh lord, the OOC/IC war is still going on?

[Gandalf]

Oh lord, the OOC/IC war is still going on?

People will abuse any topic to try and make war... I just wonder why it is IC/OOC and not Cops vs Criminals this time...

[9r2e5i3k]

I just wonder why it is IC/OOC and not Cops vs Criminals this time...

Oh that one is in the Suspects topic in SAMP Ideas

[Void]

Are we claiming that everyone should use OOC/IC? No.
Are we claiming that it is the best way to RP? No.
Are we moaning about someone not using it? No.
Are we disrespecting people through it? No.

Do we force it on other people? No.
Do we rate people if they or if they don't use this technique? No.
Do we require a ghetto of srs RPers to be divided from so called bad RPers? No.


IC/OOC is skill? No.
IC/OOC is leet? No.
IC/OOC should be treated like shit? No.
IC/OOC divides people from bad and srs RPers? No.
IC/OOC should be banned? No.
You ask why?We don't need retarded insecure people forcing it on others and as long as it is that way, you should respect a players choice.
I don't care if you RPed on Tetris or Super Mario, I will always enjoy ANY effort in RP, with ANY person...

Retards will stay retards
Retards will misuse IC/OOC
Retards will force it(Face it)
Retards will always moan(Face it)
Retards will always be "net badasses".
Retards are very friendly with /kick, /ban.

People like yourself will always generalize and categorize us with retards.
Why? Because you are superficial. Do some RP with any of these two fellas( Luigi and Xander) and you'll see their quality without and with IC/OOC(All the same).

Consider it as this: Would you kill a hippie if he said "Peace bro" to you?
1+1 is how much?



Shall we proceed on the topic point?

[9r2e5i3k]

Are we claiming that it is the best way to RP? No.

Then why use it, if it's not the best?

Do we force it on other people? No.

If you use it AT ALL, new players will follow your path and also learn to use it, not even thinking what's the sense in it. That's how people learn to play games, they watch others and do same, even if it's plain stupid and illogical. I play games, I know that from experience.

Do we rate people if they or if they don't use this technique? No.

That's what you think.

Ever saw the "Rate the RP of person above" topic? People that use IC/OOC give lower grades to people not using it, than to people they haven't even played with.

[Void]

1)Then why use it, if it's not the best?

2)If you use it AT ALL, new players will follow your path and also learn to use it, not even thinking what's the sense in it. That's how people learn to play games, they watch others and do same, even if it's plain stupid and illogical. I play games, I know that from experience.
That's what you think.

3)Ever saw the "Rate the RP of person above" topic? People that use IC/OOC give lower grades to people not using it, than to people they haven't even played with.

1) I got used to it, after several years of RPing that way. If a person uses it in interaction with me, I use it too.If not, then I don't either.

2) Refer to superficial people

3) Refer to retards

[Freedom]

Argonath has had great influence from players from "RLRP" servers, changing players style and demands pretty much, I guess.

[Cero]

Before I came to SA:MP, I was playing World of Warcraft on Defias Brotherhood, a roleplay server.

On DB we used OOC/IC, powergaming, metagaming etc.. Now, I dont support having those kind of things in Argonath, but. Playing WoW I experienced the best roleplayes I have ever been a part of, it was fun and creative. I met some people I hold great respect for in there, all of them using "RLRP".

Dont go around saying people who use "RLRP" are stupid, unimaginative and dull. Because they're not, they're the funniest, most creative and best roleplayers I have ever had the pleasure to play with. Going around saying "RLRPers are shit" seriously insults me, it's where I have my roots of roleplaying. They're not shit, stupid or anything like that, they're roleplayers doing what they think is fun.