In character and Out of character discussion

[Gandalf]

Before I came to SA:MP, I was playing World of Warcraft on Defias Brotherhood, a roleplay server.

On DB we used OOC/IC, powergaming, metagaming etc.. Now, I dont support having those kind of things in Argonath, but. Playing WoW I experienced the best roleplayes I have ever been a part of, it was fun and creative. I met some people I hold great respect for in there, all of them using "RLRP".

Dont go around saying people who use "RLRP" are stupid, unimaginative and dull. Because they're not, they're the funniest, most creative and best roleplayers I have ever had the pleasure to play with. Going around saying "RLRPers are shit" seriously insults me, it's where I have my roots of roleplaying. They're not shit, stupid or anything like that, they're roleplayers doing what they think is fun.

Actually games like WOW etc is where the IC/OOC and RLRP has come from.......

[newguy]

What saddens me most is that WE'RE TALKING here and not DOING anything about it

[Xander]

What saddens me most is that WE'RE TALKING here and not DOING anything about it

The thing that needs to be done is for people to accept the different forms of roleplay and deal with it. Nothing bad is happening due to it, except people who don't distinguish ic/ooc are forcing people who sometimes do with their philosophy.  Which is utter BS and is disrespectful. They preach that people who use ic/ooc methods are ruining the Argonath image. In fact the ones forcing not to use ic/ooc methods are the ones ruining the image and will not take off their blinder's and see this. They have thick skin and it isn't sinking in that they are the ones tarnishing it. As i said i use it sometimes, other times i don't, i don't force using or not using it on anybody. That's why people, like Argonath because we can roleplay as we please as long as we follow the Community Rules. Open your eye's remove the blinder's and understand the other party's meaning. That is what needs to be done...and to respect other people and what they are saying.

[newguy]

The thing that needs to be done is for people to accept the different forms of roleplay and deal with it. Nothing bad is happening due to it, except people who don't distinguish ic/ooc are forcing people who sometimes do with their philosophy.  Which is utter BS and is disrespectful. They preach that people who use ic/ooc methods are ruining the Argonath image. In fact the ones forcing not to use ic/ooc methods are the ones ruining the image and will not take off their blinder's and see this. They have thick skin and it isn't sinking in that they are the ones tarnishing it. As i said i use it sometimes, other times i don't, i don't force using or not using it on anybody. That's why people, like Argonath because we can roleplay as we please as long as we follow the Community Rules. Open your eye's remove the blinder's and understand the other party's meaning. That is what needs to be done...and to respect other people and what they are saying.

That's hardly gonna happen

[Aragorn]

The thing that needs to be done is for people to accept the different forms of roleplay and deal with it.

Its not a form... It is the rule from other servers... We have our own rules - Obey them...
And do not confuse players with OOC/IC rule... It is not Argonath then...

[Leon.]

What will happen to you on those RP servers where is this OOC/IC shit and start talking like on Argonath?
You do not answer because its clear: you will be banned...

Actually, I didn't answer due to unrelated reasons that you may find slightly offensive, and I'd rather not set you off.

And in all honesty...I didn't know one of the main purposes of Argonath was to be an anti IC/OOC legion who want to call themselves creative because they used a method older than IC/OOC itself (which is NOT using IC/OOC).

And if two piece of OOC/IC will not f**king stop to bring into Argonath this stupid rule from other servers I will just f**king disallow it by power...

We're not (for the most part, anyway; the retards are the ones trying to do this and don't even deserve to be a roleplayer) trying to bring Argonath as a whole into the IC/OOC rule that we implement on OURSELVES AND OUR GROUPS with the sole purpose of being comfortable playing according to their needs, habits, or whatever on Argonath.

If you honestly think that we're setting out to destroy Argonath and trying to bring it under an IC/OOC rule, then go right the fuck ahead ahead and disallow it. Players like me and Void will honestly not give a flying fuck what you do, because we're open minded and simple people.

[Xander]

Its not a form... It is the rule from other servers... We have our own rules - Obey them...
And do not confuse players with OOC/IC rule... It is not Argonath then...

Yes it is a form, go on www.dictionary.com and look that word up. It is not a rule of roleplay, that doesn't make any sense, yes on other srs rp server's you have to separate ooc/ic. But HERE in ARGONATH we aren't required to do it. If we want we can with our friends, but we do not have the authority to tell people the proper way of roleplaying without disrespecting them. Therefore it all falls back on the Argonath Image and how it is getting tarnished by the disrespect. Honestly i don't understand how you guy's still continue to fight it out even though you are making hypocritical remarks saying we are ruining the Argo Image when in fact we are not.

[9r2e5i3k]

@ Luweegee
> arguing about it
> not caring about it
 

@ Xander
blinders blinders hypocrites disrespecting blinders.
Telling the owners what is Argonath and what it's supposed to be... lol

[Leon.]

@ Luweegee
> arguing about it
> not caring about it
 

Who the fuck do you think you are to judge if I care or not?
If you hate SA:MP and its community so much with it's so-called "srsbsns" behavior, then take your over-opinionated ass back to MTA:VC and cry there. We don't want to hear it.

[Xander]

@ Luweegee
> arguing about it
> not caring about it
 

@ Xander
blinders blinders hypocrites disrespecting blinders.
Telling the owners what is Argonath and what it's supposed to be... lol

Yet i got all my information from none other than this topic here http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0 . You have been blinded by darkness, come to the light my son and realize the truth behind this madness. Oh figured id point out what's backing me up.

9.   Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations.  This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.
10.   Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.

They should be tweaked because a lot of people are being disrespected so treating people who use IC/OOC methods as Inferior and saying they are not welcome is going against that up there(as it says, leave or change your view(s). So for #9 instead of it saying "Any groups of players in game" add in the people that are excused, because im noticing a few people who seem to think they are.

[Void]

Its not a form... It is the rule from other servers... We have our own rules - Obey them...
And do not confuse players with OOC/IC rule... It is not Argonath then...

Never was a rule. If it was a rule, there would be wannabe/miss-interpreting RP moaners crying over who RPs badass and who cannot RP ....
That, is the problem of OOC/IC. Otherwise, it is not forced.

[9r2e5i3k]

Who the f**k do you think you are to judge if I care or not?
If you hate SA:MP and its community so much with it's so-called "srsbsns" behavior, then take your over-opinionated ass back to MTA:VC and cry there. We don't want to hear it.

You mad again.
And you said yourself that you don't care. Not judging, quoting (actually paraphrasing, reduced the swear word).

Players like me and Void will honestly not give a flying f**k what you do, because we're open minded and simple people.

@Xander

4.   Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.

8.   Argonath recognizes that a part of the community is underage. There for the following shall be prohibited:
a.   Swearing, flaming and insulting. Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only,  administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.

IC/OOC breaks 4. and 8.a.

[Void]

If a player says, "Why do you swear" or "Hey don't flame/insult me" or anything similar, what do you do Grzesiek?
You start defending yourself that it was IC or you stop it and apologize?

As said in paragraph 8)a:

Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only,  administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.

If I say "Puta madre" and he says " Go f**k yourself pendejo" Is that an agreement to continue a certain situation?Does the other party consider the situation interesting?There is a line, and the other RP party will show it certainly(as long as it is not racial, nationality, etc discriminating)

If I say "Puta madre" and he says " Don't insult me, you are reported" you don't go berserk rage and kill him, nor do you start moaning, "noob non-rper, it was IC" ....

You generalize all IC/OOC-ers: The douches: Force this shit yo, they be like non RP and shit, yo.We be tite and rockin this kno wha' am sayin'
                                         The free minded: Those who don't give a damn what you use, just valuate yours, and respect others.


I don't care if you RP Super Mario or lady Gaga, I just like people who give an effort, to create an interesting situation.

[9r2e5i3k]

If a player says, "Why do you swear" or "Hey don't flame/insult me" or anything similar, what do you do Grzesiek?
You start defending yourself that it was IC or you stop it and apologize?

It's not me who's swearing and "ic" flaming.

If I say "Puta madre" and he says " Go f**k yourself pendejo" Is that an agreement to continue a certain situation?Does the other party consider the situation interesting?

That's flaming, from both sides. No matter if English name-calling or not, it's still flaming. Rules don't show any exceptions about flaming "IC/OOC" being allowed. If the only slang words you know are flames, better not use such slang at all.

I don't care if you RP Super Mario or lady Gaga, I am just interested in people giving effort to create an interesting situation.

What's interesting in flaming each other?

[Dave]

I'd just like for Aragorn to not hold back in his next post, and come straight out with the full answer.