In character and Out of character discussion

[Leon.]

Let people roleplay the way they want. If I start a roleplay and the other person starts using IC/OOC I do too. If he doesn't start with IC/OOC, I dont. Simple as.

I have never tried to enforce OOC/IC or tried to stop someone from using it. It's their way of roleplaying, who the hell are we to judge? As long as they dont purposefully go around trying to teach IC/OOC to players who DONT want to learn about it, no problem.


Giac, nice way of going ahead with a example as a SA:MP Moderator saying that OOC/IC users dont have a brain.. Provoking is not allowed here..

This guy read my mind and TL;DR'd all of what I said.

[Aksel]

Okay, so...

Let everyone roleplay as they want, but don't enforce it.

[Xander]

Okay, so...

Let everyone roleplay as they want, but don't enforce it.

Within the Argonath rules of course. That's what makes this community enjoyable.

[Cofiliano]

Where do you people get time for this? I really wanna know.

[Cero]

Where do you people get time for this? I really wanna know.

[rJCaiG]

Silly Giac, flaming is for kids! The missionary for the Argonath Vision just showed his true colors!Awesome! I have a fan! High-five!

The Argonath Vision says nothing about flaming

[JDC]

You guys are really waiting to piss off RON, aren't you?

He and Gandalf have given reasons over and over again why IC/OOC is discouraged on the server and is on the verge of being disallowed. As you constantly fail to understand those posts (from RON and Gandalf alone, if which combined are enough for a huge sticky topic of their own), you are the ones with no comprehension ability!

Simple. If you want to drag in "rules" from other servers, then leave this place and go to those other servers. Stop defending your sad excuses to deviate the server from what it is supposed to be.

I respect freedom of players on the server but I do not, have not, and will not ever respect the act of players misleading other players into the sad and pathetic misconception that you need a whole lot of rules and bullshit to RP, which is known as IC/OOC, as it confuses players! I would rather use my brain, thank you very much.

Inb4 "JDC f**k off with your 'ARGOorGTFO' attitude", remember that Aragorn said the same thing... only that he was harsher than me.

Funny how you guys did not answer my small question on page 6...

Its nice to defend the OOC/IC and to ignore that with its usage you implement into Argonath the rule from other server, which is not in Argonath rules at all...

What will happen to you on those RP servers where is this OOC/IC shit and start talking like on Argonath?
You do not answer because its clear: you will be banned...

Then why you want Argonath to use other servers rules?

I can say how we see it... It is just disrespect to the Argonath rules... Our rules you do not follow but f**king trying to implement the other servers rules...

I am really pissed of reading thie two f**king pages... And if two piece of OOC/IC will not f**king stop to bring into Argonath this stupid rule from other servers I will just f**king disallow it by power...

Wanna OOC/IC? Then f**k off from Argonath... FFS...

You brought this rule from other servers... If you do not use it there - you will be banned...
Thats why its a rule...
And stop fooling us and yourselves here around...

Other servers ban for not using it...

As I said - stop f**king confuse players and think that we are one of those OOC/IC servers...

Any new comment like "It is not a rule!!!" "We do not want to destory Argonath's vision" will just lead to the strict actions against this shit...

Why the f**k we should allow the spread of "srs" RP servers here if we are on our own world...

Forget about OOC/IC on Argonath... If you do not like this - go there where its a normal rule/style/whatever...

[Void]

We brought this rule from our "Gaming nurture".We didn't brought it here, to preach it.
We aren't some kind of Franco bishops in the 10th century.

Its like, everyone is eating pasta, and we like to put on parmigiano on it.If a player sees we are eating it with our pasta, he might say "Hey pass me some of that, I like it too"
and you(just an example) will get of the table in rage and flip our plate and start yelling madly about how parmigiano is not allowed on this table.Then others, present at the table will start mocking us and pointing fingers at us.

Another example: If I see someone at the table saying: Put parmigiano on it, it tastes good, otherwise its just lame, and you can't feel the al dente!I simply aim him with my fork and shoot(or I let the "green people" and the table do it).After this situation I facepalm, and await some more plate throwing,criticism from you.

It goes round and round.

From this story, there is no other solution then sniffing the parmigiano under the table before I get a roll of pasta. 

[JDC]

A better example, rather.

Bringing IC/OOC into Argonath is like mixing salt into a sugar cake. You can still eat it but it doesn't taste as good as the sugar cake itself, not to mention the cake has been tainted by the salt and that we will have to remove the salt from the cake.

Or an even more excellent example...

There were a group of people who had the ability to walk around. In time, someone introduced a pair of crutches as he felt that it saved him the effort of walking, however, some individuals did not use the crutches. In the passage of time, those who used the crutches had a hard time getting along without using them as opposed to those who didn't.

The walkers are roleplayers and the crutches are IC and OOC.

If you look in the past, it did not exist yet but we had excellent RP... which was so excellent it is still being esteemed today.

And as somebody said,
"Why the f**k we should allow the spread of "srs" RP servers here if we are on our own world..."

[Dave]

The server owner's answer to this discussion:

Fuck off with the OOC and IC shit.

Simple. Learn some fucking respect and obey the owners' wishes, after all, they give up their own personal time with their families, and their own money to deal with your constant fucking complaining.

If only I could ask Aragorn or Gandalf to give me 5 minutes alone in the server with all the people who bitch about everything.
Actually, comming to think of it, it would take more than 5 minutes to issue all of those bans.

[JayL]

*pic*

Since you ran out of things to say just get off the topic.

We brought this rule from our "Gaming nurture".We didn't brought it here, to preach it.
We aren't some kind of Franco bishops in the 10th century.

Good Lord, how many millions of posts saying the same thing will make you realize you still misguide people into following rules which are not enforced by Argonath (OOC/IC), INTENTIONALLY OR NOT.

[Void]

I am talking from my perspective.An individual using various techniques for RPing, NOT how IC/OOC should be implemented, ruled/classified and enforced and used by a crowd.

[Leon.]

You guys are really waiting to piss off RON, aren't you?

He and Gandalf have given reasons over and over again why IC/OOC is discouraged on the server and is on the verge of being disallowed. As you constantly fail to understand those posts (from RON and Gandalf alone, if which combined are enough for a huge sticky topic of their own), you are the ones with no comprehension ability!

Simple. If you want to drag in "rules" from other servers, then leave this place and go to those other servers. Stop defending your sad excuses to deviate the server from what it is supposed to be.

I respect freedom of players on the server but I do not, have not, and will not ever respect the act of players misleading other players into the sad and pathetic misconception that you need a whole lot of rules and bullshit to RP, which is known as IC/OOC, as it confuses players! I would rather use my brain, thank you very much.

Inb4 "JDC f**k off with your 'ARGOorGTFO' attitude", remember that Aragorn said the same thing... only that he was harsher than me.

JDC fuck off with your 'ARGOorGTFO' attitude.
No, just kidding, mate.

Other servers use IC/OOC to separate Leon Gvardia's testicles and (Insert my RL full name here)'s testicles. Yes, anyone can just say
My balls itch
IG?
No, IRL
lol
But think about it. You save a FULL TWO LINES of chat messages if you had put that shit in brackets!

TWO LINES BRO!!!!1111

Ok, seriously now.

Stop defending your sad excuses to deviate the server from what it is supposed to be.

>Implying we're trying to turn Argonath into a serious roleplay server
>Implying our "excuses" are sad
>Implying you know what it is supposed to be

I respect freedom of players on the server but I do not, have not, and will not ever respect the act of players misleading other players into the sad and pathetic misconception that you need a whole lot of rules and bullshit to RP, which is known as IC/OOC, as it confuses players! I would rather use my brain, thank you very much.

>Implying that the majority of the players are actually stupid enough to be mislead in the first place
>Implying people are stupid enough to be confused by two pairs of parenthesis
>Implying IC/OOC is a whole lot of rules
>Implying IC/OOC is a misconception
>Implying IC/OOC users don't have a brain
>Implying you even use your brain


Look, like I give a fuck if IC/OOC is removed. The only reason I'm arguing here is:
1. You think everyone who uses IC/OOC is an uneducated moron - You're wRONg and likely stupid yourself just by implying this
2. You think that every single new player is stupid and easily confused - You're wRONg and you underestimate the power of the human brain
3. You think IC/OOC is a whole lot of rules - It isn't, it's a method of differentiating between your character and your IRL self. Yes, I know this can be managed without IC/OOC, but IC/OOC shortens the process.
4. You think everyone who uses IC/OOC is a 'very srs roleplayer' and is trying to turn Argonath into a 'generic roleplay server' - Not true. Argonath and its other servers is/was my first and ONLY SA:MP server. The last time I had played Grand Theft Auto was on the PS2 at my dad's house, a year after it came out. Also, people like me and Void are "mixed-IC/OOC". Definition: We use and don't use IC/OOC, depending on a given situation.
5. You talk about how much IC/OOC is tabooed on Argonath and how it's going to be disallowed - Fucking disallow it then. You should have fucking disallowed it when you first saw it if you were going to turn Argonath from a fun, relaxed roleplay server to a FUCKALL IC/OOC Legion of wanna-be Leet-anti-IC/OOC-roleplayers. Maybe if you hadn't whined about IC/OOC in the first place or tried to imply that it's super-duper tabooed on Argonath, then maybe we wouldn't even have this discussion. Maybe if you hadn't classed IC/OOC'ers into the same category as retards and douche bags.
Your MOANING about IC/OOC is the problem, not IC/OOC itself. MOANERS like you are constantly MOANING about "FUCKING IC/OOC FUCKING STUPID FUCKING LERN TO ROLEPLAY FUCKING STUPID FUCK FUCK FUCK YOU FUCK THIS FUCK ME FUCK HIM YOU USE IC/OOC GET THE FUCK OUT YOU'RE A DOUCHE" (TL;DR, you think IC/OOC is stupid and constantly cry about it because you don't know how to show self restraint). So stop MOANING, or Argonath will turn into one of the very things you're trying to stop it from becoming (in this case, "MOANVILLE").

Seriously guys. You're insulting the entire community by saying we're going to confuse people (especially new players) into thinking IC/OOC is a rule. The only way that's going to happen is if some retarded dipshit PMs a new player "Hey, using IC/OOC is a rule and is strictly forbidden not to use it." If someone's actually done that, then on behalf of all people who use IC/OOC in Argonath, I genuinely apologize to that player. But we don't have morons on this server (starting to think otherwise now), so that isn't the case, NOW IS IT?

If you think we're going to confuse new players, and if you honestly think the new players are incapable of knowing that IC/OOC is not a rule, then add it on there when they join the server.
"IC/OOC IS NOT A RULE - YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO USE IT"

They say empathy is an important part of a relationship. Show some empathy towards those who use IC/OOC, and imagine being constantly attacked with "CANT USE YOUR BRAIN" "YOURE A FAGGOT FOR USING IC/OOC" "OMG U USE IC/OOC THEREFORE U R A DOUCHE AND RETARDED" every two hours.

[JayL]

>Implying we're trying to turn Argonath into a serious roleplay server

No but if you continue with OOC/IC the new player waves will continue learning it too and thinking it's better/superior to non-OOC/IC. It will be and endless cycle as long as this OOC/IC stuff is dealt with for once and all. And we will become an OOC/IC dictatorship (read below).

>Implying that the majority of the players are actually stupid enough to be mislead in the first place
>Implying people are stupid enough to be confused by two pairs of parenthesis

So you think when a new player meets an OOC/IC user, they won't think ''so that how he does it... hmm... cool... ok seems like I am gonna have to use that now'', and will instead immediately predict what is the Argonath view towards OOC/IC.

I have seen OOC/IC defenders saying ''I use OOC/IC because I was taught like that'', ''I used OOC/IC because that's how it worked with people around me''. So the new players of today who start liking the OOC/IC and become totally distant from the Argonath Vision will be the regulars of the future who will claim the same thing I wrote in the start of this paragraph and who will teach the new players of the future into doing the same thing.

[Crysis_Warhead]

leon went over 9000

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