In character and Out of character discussion

[Void]

If a new player goes into server and sees everyone in his immediate vicinity using and separating IC/OOC, then they will think that you have to IC/OOC in order to fit into the server ("since all the regulars and older guys are doing it anyways"), leading to them coming up with the concept of "Argonath is an IC/OOC Server". Once they think that, they think the server is about a complicated set of rules and guidelines, thus contradicting The Vision.
As for the analogy between Slavery and IC/OOC... there is another way the analogy can be applied.
The concept of allowing slavery misleads people into thinking that one person has the right to own another, just as IC/OOC usage on Argonath misleads new players into thinking the server is an IC/OOC Server.

>Implying newcomers are inferior within RP, not possessing an ideal myself
>Implying that they do not have a mind of their own
> Implying that newcomers  ... oh wait

Also, for those who are wondering... I am an avid fan of Starbucks Coffee.

I shall proceed this note to the Starbucks e-mail, and describe it as "negative brain effect on people".

[JDC]

^ Implying you expect all new players to have roleplay knowledge upon initial server entry.

I have seen many new people asking to be taught how to roleplay.

[Leon.]

Also, for those who are wondering... I am an avid fan of Starbucks Coffee.

Really? To be honest, I've never really had it.
7/11 Coffee is what I get. Taste real good. I especially love their French vanilla.

[Chris_Knight]

I read all pages,and seriously guys are you don't know how to spend time??? I mean where is problem? Everyone RP by own style how he finds it usefull . I meet many rp servers and jesus thats a big boredoom . Argonath is build on fun so do not need overtake it whit other server rulles. How som one told i forgot who  - Argonath got soul . And don't shit in soul and let it be clean. 

[Void]

^ Implying you expect all new players to have roleplay knowledge upon initial server entry.

Oh, where did the Aristotle's golden mean disappear ...
Those who ask, are children. Aging of 10 to 13 years old.What do you expect?
There can be, for example, lazy typers?1000 of people, 1000 of characters. They have their own mind and please don't over exaggerate. Not all players use this technique.
They can see a variety of people and meet most of them. That means they choose, at the end of the day.Only one thing can solve this issue.Ban. Simply ban/excommunicate them all!All the obtrusive RPers.

>Implying newcomers are inferior within RP, not possessing an ideal myself

[Castlevania]

I stick to the community as well... as you have noticed I go against things which seek to infect Argonath by turning it into some generic shadow of its former self if not a SRSRP Server altogether.


If you love Argonath so much and hate the hostility present in all the SRSRP Servers... then tell me. Why in the flying f**k are you standing up for and defending something that comes from them, and threatens to turn Argonath into one of them as well?!

I see the same pattern from others like you... "I love Argonath but I want to turn it like other server it be more awesomer like that". If you truly love this community then you will help preserve it rather than standing up for something that endangers it, my dear "Champion of IC/OOC".


What you have done is worse than just those few n____r jokes... as I mentioned above you support what endangers this community.
Ever noticed that dangerous and revolutionary (in the negative sense) radical political parties use the same pattern? They present something to the populace as a blessing when in fact it will be bad for them.


Do not act as if people senior to me (I speak of experience as well, not just in terms of admin credentials)... the very same people you refuse to contradict, possess similar views.

I respect other players, groups, races, views (with certain exceptions), and et cetera... however I do not have respect for those who try to bring it in here (and especially stand up for and trying to justify it) despite the proven fact that the owners from the start have tried to direct this community away from becoming just another one of the 9,000 generic RP ones out there. Even the chat used for general discussion (known as main chat from MTA:VC times) was named so instead of "OOC Chat"... and that was a very long time ago.


Avoided generalizing... you are wRONg. It is what we all do, consciously or not.
Many people have said that IC/OOC (or elements of) are indications of poor brainpower... Gandalf included. You can even read it in that "Replace gay with IC/OOC" speech, as it refers to IC/OOC users/misusers as a group, so you cannot say it does not generalize.

Many people (including myself, Dave, Giac, etc...) have called IC/OOC as "shit" or "bullshit" in one way or another, and one of them is Aragorn.

In fact, Dave even told IC/OOC users to f**k off (and that was after Aragorn did) and you never criticized him at all for saying a statement previously said by an Owner, despite the fact that Dave possesses very similar views to Aragorn... even more similar than I do to both owners.

I could only see that you did not criticize them for it because they are the owners and you think yourself powerless to do so. If you are not afraid to criticize them for their stance on the subject, then why not stand up for IC/OOC (as you usually do) and do so instead of just talking? (@Correction 2)

Also, if we don't use double parenthesis in real life when talking then why does every damned SRSRP server have it?
For that reason it has become part of ZOMGRP gameplay.

I could already imagine you giving me the same favoritism if I was one of the owners / community leaders rather than just another slightly-extremist SA:MP admin.
(Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with my post :] )

@Correction 1: IC/OOC breaks these points of the Argonath Vision.

IC/OOC goes against Point 4 of the Argonath Vision by creating a series of complicated rules and an unnecessary standard for RP... it attempts to replace sheer brainpower (if you are not a retard you can find ways to tell if someone is talking about real life or ingame without having to rely on IC/OOC) with a complicated structure of rules and guidelines for RP, which even confuses some new players.

IC/OOC goes against Point 5 as well... as its implementation in the server will only benefit those who are experienced from it, enabling the general population of unexperienced players to be all the more termed as  "Noobs" since they can't "RP" (read: use IC/OOC) properly.

Finally, IC/OOC contradicts Point 10, which is one of those that specify in general the goal and orientation of the community. It kills imagination and creativity by being one of the key elements in the other servers' robot-like pseudo-RP play.


Theories, imagination, and paranoia? If you use those terms when referring to a logical and common sense-oriented approach, then you have to be the theoretical and imaginative paranoid, as that isn't me... unless it can be unmistakably proven.

The points I have made...
"IC/OOC is a bullshit rule from another server" (proven by Owners)
"It is another replacement for using brainpower in roleplay" (proven by examples and common sense)
"It can turn Argonath into a jungle of rules" (proven by its nature and referred to indirectly by The Vision)
and et cetera... they are proven right.

I have stated many reasons time and time again for my points... yet you say that I don't have any? The question "can you even read?" comes to my mind here, to be honest.

And as for the part where I concluded the connection between you and asslicking... I will refer to an earlier part of this post. Why is it that you don't criticize Dave as well for having similar views (even telling IC/OOCers to f**k off)?

I know about your tendency to be biased against what I post... and don't try to argue it. Notice that you tend to disagree with what I post (specifically: observations) about almost every single time, even if almost all of it is right virtually every single time?


Also... you are taking the CBradio for granted.

[JDC]

Successful troll is successful.

[Leon.]

Successful troll is successful.

[Ben.]

RP is not enforced in Argonath. I'm sure this means if you want to use IC/OOC brackets, you can, but don't expect other people to use them. Just because something isn't enforced, does not make it illegal to do so.

I don't use IC/OOC brackets in Argo, but I wouldn't look down on someone who did. If it works for them, they can carry on, as long as they don't pester other people to do so

Argonath's supposed to be relaxing and fun, and if someone wants to relax in some IC/OOC RP with somebody, let them

[Leon.]

this topic is fucking hilarious

[Faraday]

ITT:

[Void]

ITT:

Need blackup?

Anyways, you may lock this. Nothing was concluded and people who fought the most said the topic is hilarious.

[Leon.]

Nothing was concluded

False. I got to know why IC/OOC is so dearly shunned, regardless of the fact that the reasons were stupid as fuck. Conclusion.

[Romeo]

There's nothing wrong with using brackets ig. I like to roleplay seriously sometimes and sometimes I like to drive around LS backwards while messing around. Just because I use brackets to differ from IC/OOC in a RP situation doesn't mean I'm a serious roleplayer at all. When I'm not in a RP I don't do it, it just makes things easier while RPing.

[Aragorn]

I already said, that OOC/IC is a STRICT f**king rule on other RPG servers...

We are not a f**king other RP servers, we are f**king Argonath RPG...
Do not f**king like it - just f**king leave...

Do not force any of our players to use this rule...

Admins will get a strict code: once you start forcing anyone, blame anyone in lack of roleplay cos of this f**king  rule or whatsoever - they are allowed to ban you on sight...

You can talk Romanian on server in local chat between friends, but if there appears a player who does not know Romanian - turn to English...
The same goes to OOC/IC shit...

We do not bring our rules to any other servers... So do not f**king bring to our servers the rules from others...

f**king clear?

Lock of the topic...