Is the Argonath Vision blurred? Do we need glasses?

[Ben.]

-.- make a new topic if all you want to talk about is SWAT.

[Altair_Carter]

We see i.e 4 corleone shooting cops, and 2 corleones with cars looking at the shootout. Of course we think you are gonna aid....

You have no right to even think that. They sit in the car and do nothing and yet they're guilty?

[9r2e5i3k]

@weegee (post from 16 dec / page 5)

5.   Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community

Passport/license does not limit game-play. You can still role-play anything a regular player can. Owning a car/house does not increase role-play.

Passport/license limits owning properties, not actual playing something. Saves server resources, else the server would be overloaded with unused vehicles bought by people who came in, played only an hour and left.

2.   Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.

You didn't read the whole point.

@vice (post from 18 dec / page 6)

Can you define here, how do you consider whether or not a criminal is "dangerous" and needs SWAT intervention?

@RyanC (post from 18 dec / page 6) "SWAT only comes after you if you did not cooperate with the SAPD officers."

SWAT is almost always first, before SAPD/ARPD  :poke:

[Mikro]

We are normally not in the same CB  :poke:
And seriously, what do you think? We see i.e 4 corleone shooting cops, and 2 corleones with cars looking at the shootout. Of course we think you are gonna aid....

There we have the problem already.. You THINK they are going to aid. Well, it may be logical and true, but you are still suspecting someone for only an assumption you made and not for a fact which everyone could see.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Freecops need SMG

[Violet]

Freecops need SMG

I don't think so.

[Jamal]

And so the players once again complain about how Argonath is all ruined and full of non-RPers and similar shit.
 
But then, think of it.
Who made things that way?
 
For certain, it wasn't Gandalf and Aragorn.

You, me, everyone. 'the players,' Are you trying to say 'the players' as in people who are not admins or something? No. Admins have broken rules and moaned and complained about what your saying now. So don't act like it. EVERYONE has caused everything on the server. Cause and Effect is a never ending thing and is infinity. Everything you do has an effect which has another effect which makes the first effect a cause, and so on. To assume you are not causing a problem is pure stupidity. 

[Kenny.]

Kenny, I got screens and I won't show it here, because it's not section for complains.

Then instead of moaning everytime and shouting accusation, go ahead and make a report to leaders of SAPD, or if you feel your report wount lead to anywhere contact a chief directly or even the president's officer. Untill then reserve Judgement.

Also, I can add that when you're Corleone and you meet other corleones in troubles (suspected) and watching it on the distance, SWAT come and suspect you for aiding just because you're Corleone and was near others.

As i said previously following cops in pursuits can be consuidered as copbaiting or hunting, refer to my previous advise on how to follow wanted suspects without the cops having the thinking you will be aiding them.

We have numerous times witnessed we are chasing several suspects we blow their car up, another pulls up and picks them up and such situations are soo common, only the inexperinced cops will not catch on to your little game.

There is absolutely no reason or whatsoever for you to follow and watch a shotoout, in RP terms people usually run away when they hear shots fired, so maybe you need to reconsider who you tell to learn how to RP.

Kenny, why I'm not moaning about FBI then? About hydra? It's very effctive.

Dont even get me started with FBI thats another story but i can defiently tell you from my line of work we are very very effective and that is the reason alot of people moaned about us, have you forgotten the "close down SRU" yet when we went off duty we had a "Mexican Militia not argo image", either way people will moan, cops moan when we are off duty giving us crap, criminals moan when we on duty.

My previous syaing is right, the only man who moans is a man who lost something, i doubt corleone would moan if they won in a shootout with Gvardia?

SWAT come to chase me while I'm even with 1 star and suspected for speeding. They just see message that I'm suspected and come.

I can guarantee you LSPD-SWAT has not once chased you when your suspected for speeding, however as i said if you have any proof then by all means send it to the approriate people. These accusations are just overworn and need to stop.

Also, someone saw how Ben_Samiir was Rping? As I remember he always just driving his buffalo around LS and chasing criminals.

If its all accusation then i can say Daniel_Corleone always in his infernus wanting to be suspected and starting a random shootout?

Kenny, You can RP, but on duty you're metagaming in /l and dont use /me and /em.

I will make sure next time when am being shot at, i type /me draws weapons and aims just for your RP satisfication.

And I'm sure in your cb channel you can see some chat logs like "Corleone get suspected!!!... KILL HIM!!!"

You'r free to request a log check from managers, after you get the results we will talk and see how full of shit you are.

So, some groups on Argonath can be non RP? Even Official groups?

Again assumptions which are not based on facts. As far as i know i from our side we RP, what you think is not relevant to me and sorry that we cannot RP to your high standards.

SWAT who gave you permission to provoke me every time when I'm talking with someone about cops and shit?

In SWAT we are told not to talk in main-chat when we are on SWAT duty, however when we are on SAPD thats another case. Go ahead and show me SWAT members getting kicked for provoking and i will show you how many criminals are kicked for provoking, after you have your results we shall compare notes.

Can you define here, how do you consider whether or not a criminal is "dangerous" and needs SWAT intervention?

There are several reasons why we respond to calls and its all a judgement call of the leading man of that particular SWAT team.

Usually a dangerous criminal to us is someone who has just murdered cops/civilians and made threats to even kill more if approached, such criminals can expect a whole SWAT team chasing them.

Most of the times you may think we came there to provoke a civilian who is being pulled over but you will be suprised that officer have requested us to back them up in that traffic stop as they think they will shot at if civilian thinks its a lone officer. What we do is usually attend the traffic stop park a bit back and just observe we do not get out of out car nor start a dialogue. If all go well we just move on.

[Leon.]

@weegee (post from 16 dec / page 5)
Passport/license does not limit game-play. You can still role-play anything a regular player can. Owning a car/house does not increase role-play.

Passport/license limits owning properties, not actual playing something. Saves server resources, else the server would be overloaded with unused vehicles bought by people who came in, played only an hour and left.
You didn't read the whole point.

@vice (post from 18 dec / page 6)

Can you define here, how do you consider whether or not a criminal is "dangerous" and needs SWAT intervention?

@RyanC (post from 18 dec / page 6) "SWAT only comes after you if you did not cooperate with the SAPD officers."

SWAT is almost always first, before SAPD/ARPD  :poke:

Owning property and cars is a right. Players under 7 days old do not have this right. The vision guarantees equal rights between new, experienced, and admin players. The only script support new players have is something that restricts them.

[Deam]

Kenny, you're provoking me again. Also it happens in game and admins dont respond. Me and you and others players know why you're not getting punished. But when someone provoke you from our side, we're getting punishments and even bans.
I know you're trying to report us for everything that you think we're doing against the rules. Why we don't do such as you? Because we know it won't handle the situation. It's hard to get punished SWAT members nowdays.

About moaning when you're on duty...Well...when you're not on duty you can RP and i didn't see ant rulebrearing from your side.

How much shit inside me? Ask yourself first how much shit inside you. And when you do it, you'll realise why I'm acting like that.

[Ben.]

You, me, everyone. 'the players,' Are you trying to say 'the players' as in people who are not admins or something? No. Admins have broken rules and moaned and complained about what your saying now. So don't act like it. EVERYONE has caused everything on the server. Cause and Effect is a never ending thing and is infinity. Everything you do has an effect which has another effect which makes the first effect a cause, and so on. To assume you are not causing a problem is pure stupidity.

He never said anything but "players". Don't take it in any other way, he didn't say anything about admins, or himself for that matter.
And I'm sure the cause and effect argument is for religion as well 
What caused JDC to do something? As you said, just giving an example...

Cause: Unknown----> Effect: JDC does something.
Cause: JDC does something----> Effect: Something happens.

Maybe you are the unknown cause in this case 

[9r2e5i3k]

@Kenny
Does SWAT attend to any/every suspect that's crime is killing a civilian/cop, that hasn't surrendered immediately after the kill?

[BlackBird]

@Kenny
Does SWAT attend to any/every suspect that's crime is killing a civilian/cop, that hasn't surrendered immediately after the kill?

I can answer that.
No, Because current SWAT is lazy and is hardly active.
they may work maybe once a month because of a kidnapping, the rest of the time they're eating donuts and on duty patrolling complaining about suspects and how unfair it is for cops.

[Vice]

Dark.. are you banned from samp?  :roll:

[BlackBird]

Dark.. are you banned from samp?  :roll:

Was there recently enough to know much hasn't changed
Except Freecops are back to light blue names and discrimination again