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Raising the level of roleplay between Cops and Criminals / Suspects: REMINDERS

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But obviously Vince has never been into a mafia so he can't talk about it.
Ignoring post...

Talking about RP - I remember about 6 months ago when I was trying to kidnap someone and was actually RPing with a freecop when [AV]JDC_Kolta came up using a combat shotgun and killed me without even using one single line of /me.
I should've said:

Just me and myself..


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People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0l
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP

Perfect description of ARPD Officers and SAPD Officers.

"Here takes this gun, now go kill orangemen".



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People can figure it out themselves eventually, if not that's too bad for them ^.^.

Perfect description of ARPD Officers and SAPD Officers.

"Here takes this gun, now go kill orangemen".

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People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0l
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP
SAPD: If you see criminals then kill them on the spot because they're dangerous.
A: Um.. ok
SAPD: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with the criminals, or you'll die!
A: Ok!! I wil not RP

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I guess that makes Araatus, Ancelotti, Corleone, Gvardia, Stracci, 58th, and Inferno Nine into DM groups, as they couldn't possibly be RP groups since cops and suspects only fight to the death as they cannot roleplay together.
only cops knows is to rp . :cool:
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You're implying that all players who want to kill players do not roleplay before killing a person.

Cops want to kill criminals, most criminals want to kill cops. That's how it always is.
I agree to a certain extent.

People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0l
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP
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Try to ridicule us, try to demolish our reputation. But be sure to bring a f**king sledgehammer, because we're not going to roll over and die that easily.


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The only time when i dont RP with cops is-

1: They pop up M4/SMG/Combat and shout /gu!!! GIVEUP!!!!!
2: They run to you and spray you to death till you either /gu

Their are many more reasons too, and also JDC, Once i shot one bullet of AK near my friend and you started wasting entire fucking 10 m4 clips on my ass, dont even talk about your so called RP

I had a stupid sig.


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Damn it, another good topic turned into shit. Oh, and KFC saves the day all the time. :)



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/s /gu !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111oneoneone :rofl: :rofl:
The only time when i dont RP with cops is-

1: They pop up M4/SMG/Combat and shout /gu!!! GIVEUP!!!!!
2: They run to you and spray you to death till you either /gu

Their are many more reasons too, and also JDC, Once i shot one bullet of AK near my friend and you started wasting entire f**king 10 m4 clips on my ass, dont even talk about your so called RP


Just me and myself..


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I wouldn't. Surprise.

As much "one-sided" my reputation seems, I have more complicated thoughts for cop-criminal relations than anyone will know.

Either you utterly failed at choosing the right cops to roleplay with, or your reputation for shooting at every cop has caused them to shoot at you.

Correct.

I wasn't referring to me. If you paid any attention to the ways of the server you'd know fine well that the only criminal activity I take part in is the buying and selling of narcotics, and that whenever I am suspected if I cannot escape without a fight I will surrender straight away. So you're wrong there.

I actually see people in the different criminal groups who have good roleplay potential, and some of them who put it into use. When it comes to their leaders, Daniel and NitrOx would be fine. Sadly, I can't say the same for you and Romeo in that aspect.

This just shows how much knowledge you lack on the subject. NitrOx and Daniel are more prone to gangwars and cop shootouts than myself nor Panda, I myself run a criminal business which serves aa valuable resource to both my group and other groups I work alongside, putting purpose to being a criminal that doesn't consist of fighting.

Which is because it happens. The same can be said for cops, and unless your eyes have become far too one-sided as to subconsciously avoid what I stated against cops (however little it may be), you should be able to see it.
When I began to write this topic, I was going to use "Reminders for cops: Raising the roleplay level with suspects" as the title, but then I chose one that was less one-sided.

Wrong. Every topic you post in seems to work against the opinions of criminals who find the unfair advantages cops possess as an injustice. You come out with "oh, you can roleplay it and it's not needed" even though you will defend the fact that groups have scripts added for purposes which can also quite easily be roleplayed. You have an extremely biased opinion and you are altogether selfish in arguments. If you provided an equal view to both sides of the argument I'd be more inclined to discuss it with you, but for now I can see that I am merely wasting my time.



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People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0l
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP

Stop dribbling shit Vince. Ancelotti is probably the least violent of all criminal groups on the server. We don't get our kicks from wasting our time killing the likes of you, we run a succesful drug industry which provides finances for both Ancelotti and all small groups we work with. I didn't earn over 30 million from killing idiots on duty.  ;)
So please, vincey boy, pull your head out of your ass and you might stop smelling shit.

Also, we don't recruit new players. The players we do recruit are told to give up if there is no sign of escape without violent means, unless of course the idiotic officers decide to shoot first. So yes, stop spluttering rubbish about what you don't understand. It's people like you who ruin it for everyone else.



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I wasn't referring to me. If you paid any attention to the ways of the server you'd know fine well that the only criminal activity I take part in is the buying and selling of narcotics, and that whenever I am suspected if I cannot escape without a fight I will surrender straight away. So you're wrong there.

Even if you engage in criminal-civilian or criminal-criminal roleplay, you still view criminal-cop roleplay as impossible, which is why I cited you.

This just shows how much knowledge you lack on the subject. NitrOx and Daniel are more prone to gangwars and cop shootouts than myself nor Panda, I myself run a criminal business which serves aa valuable resource to both my group and other groups I work alongside, putting purpose to being a criminal that doesn't consist of fighting.

While NitrOx and Daniel are more prone to gang wars and shootouts, I have seen several incidents of Cop-Criminal RP involving them in the past. They do not go around on the forums advocating how RP between the Criminals and the Cops is impossible.

Wrong. Every topic you post in seems to work against the opinions of criminals who find the unfair advantages cops possess as an injustice. You come out with "oh, you can roleplay it and it's not needed" even though you will defend the fact that groups have scripts added for purposes which can also quite easily be roleplayed. You have an extremely biased opinion and you are altogether selfish in arguments. If you provided an equal view to both sides of the argument I'd be more inclined to discuss it with you, but for now I can see that I am merely wasting my time.

You left out the fact that you also possess a one-sided view. As you stated yourself, you engage in roleplay with civilians and with other criminals. However, you have utterly failed at the criminal-cop aspect of RP, concluding from the views you advocate.

While I admit that I have, outwardly, a very one-sided reputation, I have also criticized SAPD (and sometimes, yes- even FBI) as well. If you will read the first post of the topic, you will see that the reminders are directed to the cops as well. As I told Panda, while I was writing the topic, I originally intended it to be a reminder for cops to increase roleplay with suspects, although after 5 minutes of writing I decided to convert it into one that will serve as reminders for both sides. As both Panda and Vince have stated, both sides are at fault for alienating each other.



Also, another good topic turned into a shitstorm by these moaners. Judging from the views you hold about me, you should be surprised I even exert any effort to raise RP between both sides.

They do abuse, almost every cop that can shoot uses the cbug, all of swat uses the cbug too, i see it all the time.
So admins, f**kING BAN THEM THEY ABUSED

No, I prefer it the way it is thank you

But obviously Vince has never been into a mafia so he can't talk about it.
Ignoring post...

Talking about RP - I remember about 6 months ago when I was trying to kidnap someone and was actually RPing with a freecop when [AV]JDC_Kolta came up using a combat shotgun and killed me without even using one single line of /me.
I should've said:

The only time when i dont RP with cops is-

1: They pop up M4/SMG/Combat and shout /gu!!! GIVEUP!!!!!
2: They run to you and spray you to death till you either /gu

Their are many more reasons too, and also JDC, Once i shot one bullet of AK near my friend and you started wasting entire f**king 10 m4 clips on my ass, dont even talk about your so called RP



Now, let's get to one of the points on the bottom line.

I find it absolutely ironic how the people complaining about how cops / criminals do not RP are actually the ones complaining how this topic is worthless. It's like a person who shits on the admin team on a regular basis coming to us for help because he can't deal with someone who is annoying him.

The most important part is interacting with others and meeting people from around the world.

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You cant enjoy yourself if youre afraid to stray from the normal, and to interact with different senarios.
The reason people say there is no good roleplay on Argonath is just because when they become suspected, a cop will gun them down, thats not the only time.
Even having a roleplay between two or more groups is perfect roleplay, so what if the cops come along? show them respect and it will end well, aim guns and say " pissoff " then obviously they will shoot and others will complain "ruining rp", you need to look from both sides before judging.  ;)

Take some risks (Roleplay with cops) and see the outcome, dont come across violently towards the cops or you know what will happen.

Its a game afterall, money lost in the game means nothing, its not like you will go without food IRL if you lose some virtual money.



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Both sides moan,thus there will be no solution found...AGAIN!

I dont know 'bout you guys,but if you never gonna try to put an end to this like JDC just tried,then you might aswell go to some DM server. I'm serious.


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This topic was created in order to illustrate the continuously deteriorating situation present on the server and was in no way meant to offend any of its readers. Should any person decide to take offense, I will not accept any responsibility for his / her sentiments. Please read this topic with an open mind and a mature insight, or not at all.
How ignorant.

Lastly, keep in mind as well that all the "Good" examples listed here will only apply to people who possess any interest in roleplay, which could be more people than you think.
First you moan about elitist 1337 ZOMG RP and now are moaning that there is not enough RP. Decide what you want before you try to argue.

This is "ZOMG f**kING RLRP" in the aspect that it forces additional roleplay.


A civilian walks into a police department and takes out a uniform, a badge, and stock firearms from the police lockers. He equips them and descends into the garage to take a patrol vehicle. After some driving around taking money from people for speeding too much, he gets a call on the radio about 7 orange men shooting the f**k out of everyone in a given district.

The cop and some of his colleagues from the station group in the vehicle and proceed to the incident, where the first thing they do after getting out of the vehicle, is shout an incomprehensible series of warnings and mount an offensive at the orange men by shooting as many bullets in their direction as they can with the hopes of killing at least one.

After a long and bloody shootout where many cops and suspects die, at least two units walk away with one heavily injured suspect in their custody who happens to be moaning about how unfair the cops were, or how he was abused. The cops in turn are gritting their teeth and mouthing threats to the criminal to either shut the f**k up before they shoot him dead on the spot. Upon arrival at the PD, the suspect is placed in a jail cell and the world receives yet another story of how two heroic officers survived a dire shootout and saved the day from the criminal scum.

Interesting routine of work, isn't it?
And I wonder why people are not allowed to say ACAB.

People have constantly been complaining left and right about how others lack roleplay.
Yes, mainly you - like here in the same post.

examples listed here will only apply to people who possess any interest in roleplay
If you're gonna be contradictory and a hypocrite, atleast don't do it in the same post.

In spite of the efforts of some cops and criminals, the majority of at least 90 percent (or even more) are only interested in shooting or escaping the other. Whenever a discussion about RP ensues, one of these discussions is sure to arise:
Is the Hydra used for anything else other than shooting?

Cop: God damn suspects always f**king pull combats out of their ass and shooting cops!
I've been noticing a lot of debate going on about this topic ingame, so I decided to make a poll. Combat shotguns or Sawn-off shotguns?

Combat Shotgun:
-Weapon for the skilled
-Two hands required to operate
-7 Shots can be fired before reloading

Sawn-off Shotgun:
-Weapon for those without gun skill, and Dmers
-One hand required to operate each rifle
-2 Shots can be fired before reloading (each gun)

Cast your votes!
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I'm sure just about all of us are tired of this. However, no matter how much we complain about the situation, none of us try to change it as a whole, which is why it repeats itself constantly. Aren't you sick of that?

I'm sure I am are tired of this. However, no matter how much I complain about the situation, I don't try to change it as a whole, which is why it repeats itself constantly. Aren't you sick of that?
Fixed.

So, I have here some reminders for cops and criminals / suspects that are sure to bring more roleplay between them, if followed.
You are not qualified to remind the criminals of anything as you are not one.

1. Analyze the situation for possible roleplay opportunities.
You analyse it with a Hydra, do you?

If you know how that the opponent who is threatening your safety is one who is a potential companion and roleplay, then try to inject some roleplay or humor into the situation. Doing such helps to ease the feeling of hostility and may even cause both parties to develop a mutual respect.
Sure. Blasting the shit out of LSPD when there were unarmed civilians shows how honest a statement this is.


Bad:
(Suspects see cops coming towards them on the radar. They are trapped.)
Don't moan when other people use the very radar you are in love with and have a fit everytime a player more suited to a RLRP server posts an idea about removing.

**Suspect1(0) shouts: DIE F**KING CUNTS! Let's kill them, everyone!! (Criminals' Side)

two heroic officers survived a dire shootout and saved the day from the criminal scum.

mutual respect.

**Cop1(7) says: There they are, let's kill them and get this over with. (Cops' Side)
(A bloody shootout ensues where almost everyone dies.)
Bullshit, it's the cops who die which is why they come back in waves.

**Suspect2(1): ADMINS COPS WERE ABUSING, DO SOMETHING!!!
Exaggerated. Any one who ain't retarded won't moan about being abused by someone who abused /su when in a mass shootout.


Good:
(Suspects see cops coming towards them on the radar. They are trapped.)
**Cop1(7) says: Commander, our radar has detected them around the corner wall 5 meters from here.
LOL.

'Don't moan when other people use the very radar you are in love with and have a fit everytime a player more suited to a RLRP server posts an idea about removing.'


**Cop1(7) says: Shall we storm them and take them out?
**Cop2(8) says: No, we might all die. What information do we have on the suspects?
Cops do not value their lives at all as they can return as many times as they want. Cop2 will die and probably return, so it makes no difference if they all die or not. Most cops in this situation actually return after death many times if not to /weaponequip those who do.

**Cop1(7) says: They are a group of african-american gangsters, sir.
**Cop2(8) says: Hmm... I think I might have another solution.
*Cop2(8) reaches into a black case marked "SWAT EMERGENCY SUPPLIES".
*Cop2(8) takes out a bucket of KFC.
**Cop1(7) says: Sir, what are we supposed to do with THAT?
**Cop2(8) says: Use this to bait them. I have a plan.
Cop2 would be banned if he did this in-game in front of an admin or logs were checked.

(The suspects see everything that has transpired and intend to participate in roleplay.)
What is RP? Do you consider the ninety percent of cops who use /s2 and shoot instantly to be RP? The side shooting first often controls the situation but if cops have entered a building with weapons with suspects inside it, they are engaging and therefore are allowed to be shot by suspects.

*Cop1(7) throws a bucket of KFC into the hallway, near the gangsters.
At this point Cop1 would probably be punished too.


(after a shootout mixed with humorous roleplay, mostly everyone survives and the suspects are taken to the police department for their roleplay interrogation and imprisonment.)
Suspect1 would be shooting too, you know? Depending on the shooting skill of the suspects, the cops would probably be all killed, the first wave i.e. Cop1 and Cop2 atleast.

2. DO NOT jump to conclusions immediately.

Not every person you face in combat possesses the sole intent of shooting you to death. Many players will enjoy at least a short roleplay as well.
More time wasted closer to a cop means more cops come, chances of survival/escape decline. The only reason why suspects would kill a cop is to go escape afterwards.

As elaborated on in point 1, injecting some roleplay into what seems to become yet another shootout, may turn the situation into a fun and enjoyable roleplay where everyone is happy. In that case, even if one side is annihilated in the ensuing combat, the situation will be a win-win for all parties involved as all of them had fun.
Not in my experience, which I have a lot more than you do.


Bad:
The suspect sees a cop hiding behind a patrol car. He jumps over the car and shoots the life out of the cop with a combat shotgun. More cops and suspects arrive, and mostly everyone dies. Moan ensues in the public chat afterwards.
The suspect, if not a retard, would leave the scene after killing the cop who is engaging. If he were not to engage, he would have stayed in the patrol car.

Good:
(The suspect sees a cop hiding behind a patrol car.)
**Suspect1(0) shouts: Eyy, you! I know you're hiding back there!
**Cop1(7) mutters: Shit, I've been spotted.
**Cop1(7) shouts: Sir, this is the __PD! Hands up, pants down!
**Suspect1(0) shouts: All you donut heifers are the same! I ain't fallin' for your rape drama!
Never happens.

(During the shootout, both involved continue to execute roleplay.)
Unless both suspect1 and cop1 are retarded, they will not place themselves at a massive risk of being killed whilst typing. By the time used to type everything, many cops would have came and suspect1 would either have to die or escape.

The following does happen.
**Suspect1(0) sees a cop behind a patrol car.
**Suspect1(0) shouts: Leave now po-lice or I blast y'all
**Cop1(7): This is the law, stop and surrender now
**Cop1(7): This is the law, stop and surrender now
**Cop1(7): This is the law, stop and surrender now
Shootout...
Cop1 is probably killed and suspect1 runs off.

Because the suspect in this situation did not immediately conclude that RP with the cop means an absolute chance of death, th
Makes no sense. 'Abseloute chance of death' lolol


3. Try to inject some humor.
As I mentioned in Point 1, injecting humor into the situation can ease the hostility / tension and even lead to a good roleplay. Cops and Criminals / Suspects who engage in roleplays between each other tend to develop a mutual respect, which leads to less hostilities overall. We can't deny that humor makes a roleplay situation better, doesn't it? Less moan and flames mean a happier community, which is what I am certain everyone here would like to see.

**Suspect1(0) shouts: DIE F**KING CUNTS! Let's kill them, everyone!! (Criminals' Side)

two heroic officers survived a dire shootout and saved the day from the criminal scum.

mutual respect.

4. Fighting to the death is NOT the only option.
The above 3 reminders will most certainly not work if the cop, the suspect / criminal, or both, will do nothing but fight to the death. For cops, the possibilities are solving the situation with roleplay, using better tactics than shoot-to-kill- regardless-of-what-happens-to-you, among others.
FBI is shoot to kill as they do not have to ask for surrender before pew pew. Don't tell people to do something if you don't do it yourself.

For the criminals / suspects, we have hiding from the cops and escape. If every single cop and criminal did nothing but fight to the death, then there will be virtually no opportunity for roleplay between both parties.
You don't even know the difference between a suspect and a criminal, how the f**k are you in a position to advise them?

Besides.
This is "ZOMG f**kING RLRP" in the aspect that it forces additional roleplay.

5. Don't always wait for the other person to make the first move.
If you will always rely on the other person involved to make the first move, then I can assure you that it would happen more often, where things don't turn out in a desirable manner or where everything is ruined altogether. You should also exert some effort to execute roleplay in cop-criminal situations, and you never know... others may begin to view you as an example / role model.

Keep in mind that this will only work best if they are all done together.
Contradictory to point two.

2. DO NOT jump to conclusions immediately.

In others words, you are saying - shoot first so that you don't die. Understand this, if a wave of cops - especially after the first one come in to a barricaded area where they have been told not to go full with suspects, expect to get shot without any warning.


What we have learnt from this moan topic of yours.

  • But most of his posts here contains some kind of moan against someone in one form or another.
    Was a self-analysis that needs a little update from most to all.
  • You expect suspects do to things that put them at a disadvantage whilst you do not do the same yourself.
  • You moan about combat shotguns and get have a Hydra/Hunter.
  • You do not know the difference between a suspect and a criminal and associate them as the same thing.
  • The side shooting first has to be the one not to jump to conclusions and wait for the other side to shoot, making the side shooting first not the side shooting first but the side shooting last.
  • You are against ZOMG RP yet are moaning that there is not enough RP.
  • As I understand, you would be Cop2 in that situation, your understanding of humour is racism. I would only tell people to follow your point three if they wish to get banned.
  • According to you, suspects simply stay in one position and shoot, waiting for more and more cops to come so that they can eventually die.
  • You think people actually RP in the middle of a cop-suspect shootout when you have a Hydra that could kill all of them in an instant.
  • You don't like others use the radar which you are against the removal of and love yourself.
  • Not waiting for the other side to shoot first would mean that you would like suspect's radars to be removed as they use them to locate cops who have engaged whom they are allowed to shoot.

I sell the things you need to be, I'm the smiling face of your TV. I'm the Cult of Personality. I exploit you; still you love me,
I tell you one and one makes three. I'm the Cult of Personality. Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi, I'm the Cult of Personality. Neon lights, a Nobel Prize, when a leader speaks, that leader dies. You won't have to follow me. Only you can set you free.


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People like you are the only reason it is that way. Player A joins the server, Mafia A (let's say ancelotti) recruits them. Ancelotti: Hi kill copz if they annoy u l0l
A: Um.. ok
Ancelotti: Yeah it's fun! Never roleplay with xx police group, EVER, OR YOU'RE KICKED OUT OF THE OFFICIAL GROUP!
A: Ok!! I will not RP
That's more what your SRU does.

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