Wanted level system improvement

[Morphine]

Mind telling me WHY THE f**k YOU JUST MENTIONED TCL ALTHOUGH YOU HAD NO NEED FOR?!

I did have the need for it, since you are accusing IT and EAF of turning the VCMP server into a gangwar sort. Happy now?

[Emre]

I did have the need for it, since you are accusing IT and EAF of turning the VCMP server into a gangwar sort. Happy now?

I am one out of several others in TCL, that's not a reason to write "TCL freedom fighters" instead of "Emre"
Oh yeah, I did not say "gangwar", I said "cops n robbers" after I have been told that EAF and IT work together (I just wonder what they work on lol)

[Marcell]

You don't kick someone for breaking the rules when he doesn't even know them, that is my point.
VCMP player list is small, of those actually active ones - you can't say, ban every hacker for hacks. You need to give them by chance by kicking them first, asking to turn hacks off - naturally the flaw of this is that they can go and hack again after you gave them a chance.

He did play VC:MP back in the day, but is not an active VC:MP player which does not permits his voice to be more 'important' than active player's voice. What I'm saying is, just cause he says no doesn't mean this idea won't get implemented unless other players agree with him.

Also the trend is quite simple to understand - if someone has not played IV:MP for example, why he comments it? Unless the idea point is something that is provided in all servers for example.

[Huntsman]

Sorry, you can only vote if you're a VCMP player

 I AM VCMP player, its not my fault Argo in VC is always down.. wanka!  :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :pop: :pop:

[Emre]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL



Marcell, I did not mean to kick on every single commitment , only if they KEEP doing it. Might've been some misunderstanding.

[Marcell]

I guess I just explained it wrong.

Lol, Hitman...*facedesk*

[Salmonella]

That is exactly what is so annoying about you.
You think every player who comes from DM scene of VCMP will join Argo and understand and like all the rules right away. No, I don't think it is a DM server - but combat is a huge part of VCMP Argo.

Me? Annoying? Don't even start talking about who's really annoying here . As for your argument : I do not think such thing. As I've said in my previous post, We have to teach the new people to understand the rules, it's not that bad if someone deathmatches when he is not aware of the rules. Just teach him. The people I am reffering to are aware, or should be aware of the rules.

Also, in theory, if cops wouldn't shoot criminals when wanted they wouldn't get killed - so it's not really criminal's fault that he is wanted for the copkilling. Sure, he can surrender anytime though.

What? I am not even blaming the criminals for killing cops.. I am blaming some people who kill cops without any roleplay.. And yes, we don't have to come to you, but apparentally many of you want that due to the constant moaning.

I also think you seriously clearly mistake combat situation with deathmatching. Opening fire on cops that are shooting you themselfs is NOT DMing, trust me...same if I want to destroy a gang - I roleplay but they do not roleplay back. So what I'm suspossed to do? I just assault them. I don't camp at their spawns, I try to roleplay it by doing attacks on their gang HQs. Do you classify that as deathmatching? Me, no. Because it may be deathmatching, but there's roleplay reason for it.

I also think you seriously clearly mistake my statement. Did I say the cop in my example opened fire? No he didn't. The scenario that I was in was first fire comming from the suspect. Forcing me to shoot BACK. If they don't want to roleplay :

You can't force him to roleplay.

I thought you would at least try to have your posts match up a bit.. If they don't want to roleplay with you, leave them alone. It is considering deathmatch by at least me if you attack someone unwillingly. By the ways, ''deathmatching'' never has a roleplay reason.

I was banned (I still am) for weapon hacks indeed - seems like playing SAMP on a heavily modded game isn't always the best choice, but I was too lazy to reinstall it.

Haha, checkmate. First you told us all that you were banned because ''a hacker gave you smoke grenades'', now this? busted.

SA does not require big skill in shooting, and even if you play it for years your skill won't come in-handy, unlike VCMP. If you're overnumbered by cops you actually have to use some tactic on SAMP which is what I like. In here if your combat skills are big enough, you could just gun down those 3 cops after you easily as well.

You should first try to play SA ''for years'' to understand that then i guess. SA is more advanced in shooting. You actually have a decent aim. The VC aim is as simple as that old Atari 64 game, Duck-shooting or something. The only thing that makes it a little more advanced is the c-bugging and shotguns. I think you know damn well what i mean.

And the part where you say 'I stop the car near a criminal and he begins to shoot me - then my car is broken. I have two choices - go after him or roleplay with someone else. Guess which I choose' this is more like a whine part. Cops in real life (I know this shouldn't be compared, but still) don't go away from chasing some criminals who just opened fire on him cause 'its too hard' or 'he has no chances'. Surely he can move back and call backup, but not go after someone else.

This is Argonath, not real life.

Also it's kinda funny how roleplaying something that involves killing is classified as deathmatching. If I roleplay a psycho with chainsaw and kidnap people then murder them, I'll still get called a DMer.

If you would actually communicate with them, you wouldn't be called a DMer. Communication is essential in roleplaying online.

Why I don't like the minute system? Because I still think VC is too small city for those kind of things - I manage (with Infernus) to circle whole map in less than 5 minutes (without crashing on the way of course). The 10 minutes time gets lessened - fine, but 10 minutes is way too high for VC. SA is huge and you have helload of places to go, hell, even one cities. VC isn't even as big as one city from SA.

No it's not. It's a great time. SA has 20 minutes as far as i know.. 10 minutes is actually a little bit too less in my opinion.

What's the point of 'srs roleplaying'? - are the words I've read somewhere faaaaaaaaaaar back. Why do you act so strong on the behalf of VCMP's Argonath if you don't even play on it? Killing cops is not DMing.
"Maybe you and your friends are used to deathmatch in Argonath and enjoy DMing all the time" - if you would ACTUALLY come see what is happening there you would see that we RP a LOT.
The shooting system in VC:MP is not stone-age. It is way better than what it is on SA-MP. You learn to move your hands more that way. Well that is up to you to decide of course.
Only about 2% of the VCMP Argonath community tend to 'Deathmatch', and that's mostly the new people. Others are loyal enough to the community to avoid it.
You can't blame anyone specifically for what is happening there. We've all a cut of the trouble, so don't go blaming EAF and IT for what is happening there, along with the TCL freedom fighters.

I didn't say anything about ''srs roleplaying''. I am only talking about regular roleplay.. I am actually playing as much as I can on VCMP and don't see you much either. But I guess thats unrelated. The scenarios and things i am reffering to are all real. I have seen and experienced them with my own eyes and will do as much as i can to help get this away.

About the shooting - read my previous argument for Marcelll.

2 percent? 50 percent. Apperentally the loyalty you are reffering to isn't as high as you think it is... If it exists at all. ''You can't blame anyone specificially for WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE''. Do I see some sort of confession here? Again, you oppose your argument in your own post.. I am not blaming anyone specificially either. I am not blaming a group, I will only blame things on specific people which i Know of that they have actually committed such offenses.

Calm down Emre 

Anyway, Salmonella, I don't see your point. I would understand that you fight for what you believe in only if you played VCMP, but lets be honest, you don't. You're SAMP admin, your job is to be there. If you feel you can't be on both sides, choose one and stick with it.

I play a lot, Perry. My SAMP duties don't have anything to do with that. I play in a lot of servers, not only SAMP .

He won't - he wants to bring VCMP to MTA:VC level. 10 admins roleplaying, every newbie who rulebreaks gets a kick.

What i want is to bring it back to roleplay. 2009 VCMP. The VCMP Me and many others here still cherish the memories and miss the good times. The roleplay times. What's wrong with MTAVC btw?

I did have the need for it, since you are accusing IT and EAF of turning the VCMP server into a gangwar sort. Happy now?

If he did accuse these groups of that, I can't be anything else but supportive for that argument...

He did play VC:MP back in the day

And I'm still active

[Marcell]

You know what? I'm actually tired of arguing as we will never get to a point where we both agree.
Have fun being a rule enforcing nazi through your playthrough
EDIT: And you can check the logs as well, I did trade weapons that day, but I had cleo mods including wep spawners installed as well. I wasn't sure whats the reason at first 

[Salmonella]

You know what? I'm actually tired of arguing as we will never get to a point where we both agree.
Have fun being a rule enforcing nazi through your playthrough

What do nazi's have to do with this?

Also, You admit you do not follow the server rules? It sure looks like it...

[Emre]

Holy shit, 10/10 on this show.I like it!

...Although ... what does nazism have to do with this?

[Marcell]

What do nazi's have to do with this?

Also, You admit you do not follow the server rules? It sure looks like it...

This has to do something with nazis - you interrogate me like Hitler did with jewish people who smuggled various things and got trapped.
There is nothing wrong with enforcing rules, but you just fail so hard at doing it that I'm just speechless.

[Emre]

So ... you are a jew and consult him being a nazi just for bringing a counter against you? Or how should I get this :s

[BlackEagle]

What's the point of 'srs roleplaying'? - are the words I've read somewhere faaaaaaaaaaar back. Why do you act so strong on the behalf of VCMP's Argonath if you don't even play on it? Killing cops is not DMing.
"Maybe you and your friends are used to deathmatch in Argonath and enjoy DMing all the time" - if you would ACTUALLY come see what is happening there you would see that we RP a LOT.

this is why we can't have nice things.

[Morphine]

All those cops that actually knew to RP are inactive. I blame their absence for what is happening.
And yes don't load me with that "they have a real life" shit. We all do and most of us know how to get VCMP fit into the schedule.
Most COPS nowadays dont want to roleplay, what is left for the criminals then? Type while getting shot?
And Salmonella, I am not contradicting my own argument. You all seem to be going after the same person with the same accusations. I will not mention any names here but if you're bright enough you will understand what I'm saying.

[Emre]

I thought IT and EAF keep things alive? and Ingame-things may also include RP between people.