I wanna close my eyes in samp unban request section

[Murt]

If you guys feel that the temporary ban function should get an extension, why the heck not post a topic about it? It could be taken into consideration.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

I have to agree with Joker. Sometimes I see ban reasons that are in my opinion, ridiculous. (No disrespect to the admins)

[Comrade]

If you guys feel that the temporary ban function should get an extension, why the heck not post a topic about it? It could be taken into consideration.

Already did it, check the ideas section.

[Joey_DeRossi]

There's a notorious lack of communication between players and the administration, but this isn't from today, it has been since 2009. Most of the admins don't talk with the players involved in a report - moderators do. Why? Well, moderators want to show service, so they try to be nice and act effectively and this is how it should be with the administration team as well. We can understand that the administrators receive lots of reports and want to clear all the situations immediately and, unfortunately, that's what the ban is used for - not in most of the cases, though.
The thing is, some bans are just completely excessive, when a tempban or a simply chat would do it.
I'm not in favor of tempbans, because those temporary bans pass and the user who suffered it, won't apologize, publicly, and will just keep on going forward, hell, by giving a temporary ban you can even give that person time to study something for tomorrow or do some homwork. I'm in favor of trying to speak with the persons involved and reach a conclusion - if they reach a conclusion where a ban is definitely needed...then yes, go ahead. Else, warn that person, mark him in a excel document and if he ever screws up again, immediate ban.

This was brought on the past, Joker, and it hasn't changed anything. Like many others topics involving the administration or the role-play.
I don't want to talk about a reformulation on the administrative team, because one was done fews months ago and that would be insulting the current team (which has been doing a good job, so far), but some people should really, but really, think about this and discuss, mainly, between the administration team.

[Gird3r]

Joker you wrotte this because of my unban request right? Thank you very much for writting these so ADMINS CAN LEARN you are a great player and an awesome friend

You are only making your own unban request look worser.

This is what I mean with bullshitting. Let the investigation takes it course for your unban request.
Don't throw dirt into the water you are going to drink.

Joey.
I used to take notes under my moderator time. Since when you are with 100 players, and there's currently chaos. Taking notes will decrease the ammount of time searching for chatlogs and other stuff. When you can just flip up an notebook and see what you noted down about an current case.

I got about 40 files with chatlogs. Each one is marked for one or more important cases. And half of my notebook is filled with small short notes that I wrote down while working.

I highly recommend for the current moderator wave aswell as admins to start saving your chatlogs in an structured manner, aswell having an notebook ready to write in. It will help you. Trust me on that.

[Joey_DeRossi]

Exactly, Gird3r.
Because, being a administrator/moderator isn't just a "respect" title. Once you get to be a administrator/moderator you have to start being professional. You have to be responsible and skip some fun, because your working in order to provide fun to others - remember that.
Hence why there are administrative and non-administrative accounts.

[Mr.Joker]

I wanna close my eyes on all the lies and bullshit that most of the banned ones manages to cook up in order to get unbanned.

Quoting an owner to get favour is not really the way to go. It's just an lame attempt at bend the words in ones favour to get unbanned.

In the same sense people try to use the Moderators GUIDE in order to cause bullshit and piss on the moderators.

It's obivious this is relating to EvilMonkey's ban. So let me say it clear:

I have seen JDC work. and he does NOT ban instantly on every "fart".

Joker. I do understand fully you feel like that. But admins do not simply ban out of the blue instantly unless something repetive rulebreaking has been done in order to warrant an ban.

And if you feel there's something you can correct Joker. You can always take an try and apply for the team.

/kick has always been utilized alot. And to add something more to think about:

Where's the chatlogs?
There's absolutely nothing that says that he has not been rulebreaking alot before he recived his ban.

This has happened before: Admin is eviiiil.  :devroll:
Then chatlogs comes and reveals the trail of negativity and rulebreaks said banned one has left behind.
Then they stand there and is like: I iz ssorry. pls.  :conf:

So, since I took up his ban. I'd really want to see the chatlogs, The full ones indeed.

Come on.

"Where an tempban would be better".

Tempban happens when tempban is due. Ban happens, when the admins are tired of the constant trolls and bullshit who after repeated warnings, keeps breaking rules.

Someone robs my store. Ok he can have an chance. Oh wat he's at my store robbing it again.

/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
~-~
And so on.

If someone has been rulebreaking alot:

/warn 5 This is your last chance, follow the rules or be banned.

ID:5 has flamed an player.

/tempban 5 10 min hurr durr.

Consider that /tempban could have been used already before the actual ban.
 
The admin team is here to serve players. Not care and kiss shitty trolls with bad attidude on thier feet.. Exactly what JDC is doing and will continue to do. Serve and help players and banning shitty trolls with bad attidude.

If the shit EvilMonkey is saying is true. JDC would have banned 20 players in 1 minute for "silly reasons". And kicked half of the server.

Oh btw discrimination is an silly/simple reason no?
And if what you claim is true Joker, then I'd highly suggsest you let the upper people (Manager and above) take care of it.
Community mail for example. And word of advice for those who think it does not helps:

It does, you just don't see it. I have worked with such an mail myself back in 2008. And I doubt the SA:MP generation of Managers and leaders are ignoring the mail.

Joker, if you wish to continue this nonsense. Get some real experience and insight into the admin work for Argonath RPG.

This type of topic will cause an arguments such as mine. It's natural. You cannot say "You do not want".
If you do not want, then do not make the thread.

I already knew my topics would cause bitter/arguments. I cannot say "I do not want" just because I do not want to.
And this applies especially to topic who is as controversial as this one.

Also, you will not use an single drop of Forum Moderator power in this thread, you are not going to delete any reply (if you are able to). Not an tiny bit. If something happens like what you described in the red text, let another forum moderator deal with it. Simply because I want you to stay neutral and defend your own words. So you do not fiddle with any reply.

If JDC really did something wrong, He will be punished accordingly, so far he has done his admin work right.

1. This is not because that romanian who got banned.
2. I quoted what Aragorn said with a reason, because he said it with a reason.
3. This is not about JDC.

You got some good points there, but not all of them.

Joker you wrotte this because of my unban request right? Thank you very much for writting these so ADMINS CAN LEARN you are a great player and an awesome friend

I have not made this topic because of you. If you are romanian like me do not means that Im interested in helping you.

I am looking forward to hearing an more detailed explanation of your issue Joker. Aswell as arguments.

There was, as far as I can see, not an consideration for what the player might have done before an ban is issued.
Bans are never supposed to be issued unless the player in question has been rulebreaking alot before. That is not an guideline. It's an frickin rule for admins and common sense.
Tempban might already have been used if you get what I mean. I would NEVER have argumented against him if he had fully told us why he feels that way. There's enough of the blackpainting and whispering behind backs about which admin is an jerk or not, hence why I came into the thread to argument.

That is why I called it nosense, Joker also said he will answer. So i'm awaiting his reply.

Regulars are Expected to know the rules inside and out. Hence why you will not see an regular get 10 warns both private and public before an more harsh punishment is needed. As far as I know, EvilMonkey is an regular.

Yes we all can f**k up sometimes. Even I can. That is why you have one chance to tell the truth. Likewise as EvilMonkey has one chance to tell the truth. So far, it looks to me it's only throwing dirty socks around and pulling out an quote from an owner in an an attempt to shit at admin.

Joker clearly stated himself he feels that bans comes to quick, I can assure you admins who really are breaking the admin-rules and server-rules are dealt with. If people cannot even trust the administration team, then how can they even play here? If you feel insecure with an group, leave the group.

How to restore that trust? Well it hell ain't letting the admin team go pussy mode and lick water from an cup in an corner in an trolls room. 

Let me clarify this short:

Admins who TRULY are abusing = gone. There's been an number of cases, and I ain't hell seeing them in the administrator list (the current one). Do you?
Tempban: Is used. Not every fart is banned. Stop trying to use an owners quote in order to justify bullshit.


Admin abusing? Community mail.

The thing with expecting regulars to know the rules has been around since the start of Argonath RPG.
It's been around since day 1. You know the rules. Yet you dare to break them?



I am not going to  defend EvilMonkey. But I am nethier going to judge his ban. It is up to managers to decide what happens.
What I am against tough, is using someones elses quote, in an lame attempt to defend yourself.

That would be like me saying: RON is my friend unban me.

Like f**king hell I would do that. If I was banned, I would stand on my own and defend what I belivied in. Not use an owners quote or anyones elses to bullshit around with.

Twenty.

/tempban 5 10 minutes Cool down.
Player calms down. Day after.
5: f**king black
/banana 5 60
/warn 5 No racism.
Player calms down. Then is caught deathmatching.
/warn 5 No deathmatching.

Player calms down. All is fine and dandy. 1 month later he's become an regular.

Id 5 killed bla bla.

/report 5 Deathmatching
Investigated, found guilty.
/warn 5 No deathmatching.
Goes some time.
Same f**king player is caught deathmatching again.
Let us count his record:

He has been tempbanned once.
He has reciven bananas and warns.
He's played here for about 1 month.

Now he's caught again with deathmatching.

Id 5 caught provoking.

/tempban 6 60 Repeated rulebreaking. Read the rules carefully.

Do you still want to do another meaningless tempban of 60 minutes, or should we ban the player in order to make said player realise the seriousness of the situation?

There is an limit Twenty.
This has been proven so many times it's not funny.

Player get's banned.
Lies or seeks sympathy from anything.
Or he/she is innocent (rarely, an big majority of the bans was true ones).
Chatlogs comes up.

If innocent. everything is okay. Said admin usually apologizes for misunderstanding, and if needed, get's an form of punishment if said admin refuses to apologize for the faulty ban.
Or, player is found guilty. And suddenly changes his shitty lying face where the wind points. In order to "apologize".

As I said, I will await the reply from joker. If he can make an good argument and show me that he tought this thru properly, then I will apologize for having "invaded" the thread.

Btw I like comrades suggsestion, somewhat.

The issue is simply trust between admins and players.

We should not have to open up the admin forums to public just so they can show you exactly how shit is run.
That, is used for admins for work and solely work.

This is not about the romanian guy .

[Clone]

I totally agree with you..

[Mr.Joker]

 Ban command is the maximum punishment for the mass rulebreakers - hacking, advertising another server. If someone after an hour tempban is still rulebreaking then yeah, the ban command should be used.
 Who are the people who are able to unban?
-Managers
-Leaders of the community
-Owners
 And sometimes are not all of them active, if someone got banner for an tempban reason or a simple kick reason why he need to wait untill one of those guyz who are able to unban appear?
You, guys, should know that not all of us are good at english to speak propperly with an admin. Where's the second chance?
Plus that some admins are doing it with fun " banhammer is ready for action ", etc.. Since when is funny to ban someone?
 I do not say that we need to take those things very seriously, but if you wanna be an admin first you need to think if you are ready for it, not just because is looking cool under your forum name.

[Gird3r]

It's an damn shame that the admin team of today get's pissed on.

You are not f**king having some robots who are protecting the community you know.

No we should cry tears of sadness for someone who get's banned. We should cry, that they was banned for rulebreaking.

I am not saying you are saying this joker, but this is the impression you give me.

Okay, I accept that you did not have that dude in mind.

Why they need to wait? Because they are banned.

I absolutely hate to draw an line to IRL. But really. I do not think you can say that to the face of an cop "Why should I wait just lemme go".
No one complained about "jokes before ban" thing in the past. Why the f**k complain now about it? Even RON does it sometimes (not saying often).

This of course does not mean they should



"Stop permban every fart" does not f**king mean they can sissy off.

Yes, regulars are expected to know the bloody rules, and what the aftermath is if you break them.

The unban process is for EVERYONE. No one has the right to cancel his "wait".
That's like going into an store, then push everyone in line aside.

Yes, not all of us are good at english. I'm not good at it.
That is NOT an excuse to just go herp derp and break the rules.

When they find someone who does not understand english enough to take in the information. They  try to communicate in other ways (or find an translator)

IF they fail to make any contact at all. Then nothing else can be done and it will escalate into an ban if the player keeps rulebreaking. And that is never f**king funny.
I have seen that for myself. Do you think I sat there laughing my ass off?

No...

Let me sum it up:

Wait thing: NO. You are wrong here. Unban process goes the same for everyone.

I do agree however that the thing with talking with the player in PM to try to solve it. That is correct. And I did encourage this while I was in the administrator team (follow up the case).

Tempban reason? DM is an completly valid reason to ban someone if it's been repeated several times. You could be banned for flaming or warned for flaming for example.

Do not try to seperate reasons into each punishment category. That is not how it works Joker.

Awaiting your reply.

[Que]

Gird3r, the way you're setting up the sentences is quite unreadable when you read big walls of text, which you're writing here. Would you mind putting them together instead of spreading out the lines?  Just a tip.

No we should cry tears of sadness for someone who get's banned. We should cry, that they was banned for rulebreaking.

We should not cry at all. But we should learn to define where the line's drawn, also where the lines should be for a ban. The tempban is a very useful command, yet minimally used.

Yes, regulars are expected to know the bloody rules, and what the aftermath is if you break them.

I have to agree.

[EminemRulez]

In my eyes, some admins wanna look "tough" - that causes not-needed bans at everyone, mostly old players..
Like Dave, who wanted to be the most strict admin around :razz: - pathetic...

[Ayden]

I believe that we are all familiar with the saying "Use common sense". As a matter of fact, admins made it up, and usually they repeat it over and over. Well, guess what. BACK AT YA!

[Cutt3r]

Well, as long as there is Argonath, players and admins, people will bring about such topics and try to find fault with admins, directly or indirectly.
Really, have you at any time in the past been an admin on our server? How do you know what is being said to whom and how? How can you assume that when an admin says 'I warned you' it means only once? Please do not make assumptions about anyone or anything.
To know what an admin faces and how, one has to be admin on server. It is not easy to deal with 2 reports per admin at once at any given point of time, and during weekends and holidays, that number doubles or triples.
If an admin errs in action, let managers or above decide. Report at the community email and leave it there. Those having access to it will do the needful.
Further replies with girder can be continued in pm.

[Gandalf]

If you see this list, are you really surprised /ban is used ?

Banned by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta     Discrimination, justifying wrong actions.     May 16 2011 12:18
Warned by =AV=9r2e5i3k    stop flooding /report.    May 15 2011 20:01
Kicked by Doggi    Your language is disgusting me.    May 14 2011 20:42
Tempbanned by Daxx    Killing after surrendering...    May 14 2011 18:38
Kicked by Doggi    Moaning ater punishment - complain at [email protected].    May 13 2011 17:28
Banana by Trane_Kiedis       May 13 2011 17:27
Kicked by =AV=9r2e5i3k    flaming/bad language.    May 13 2011 16:55
Kicked by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta    Flaming.    May 13 2011 16:32
Warned by =AV=9r2e5i3k    bad language.    May 12 2011 13:18
Warned by Cailan    Telling others to ''Stfu'' trough /PM.    May 11 2011 19:34
Warned by Robert_Soc    ignoring admins.    May 11 2011 19:23
Kicked by Cailan    Carkilling , lying to Administration. You were in the dozer.    May 07 2011 16:27
Kicked by TheRock    This is your last chance before a tempban, BEHAVE.    May 02 2011 19:13
Kicked by Doggi    No, but your maoning, again.    May 02 2011 19:11
Kicked by Doggi    esc in combat.    May 02 2011 19:10
Kicked by Leroy_Hudson    Requested..    May 01 2011 21:56
Kicked by Doggi    Moan again, kicked by the 'stupid admins'.    May 01 2011 21:12
Kicked by QSens    If you have complain send to [email protected] not over my pm.    May 01 2011 21:11
Kicked by Doggi    Moan, bye.    May 01 2011 21:10
Warned by QSens    Suicide as suspect.    May 01 2011 21:09
Banana by Cailan       April 30 2011 19:33
Kicked by Doggi    No, moaning.    April 29 2011 21:41
Kicked by Doggi    Carkilling as a veteran.    April 29 2011 21:40
Kicked by QSens    Ruining event - Bunnyhopping.    April 29 2011 20:36
Kicked by QSens    Ruining event - Bunnyhopping.    April 29 2011 20:35
Ajailed by Nathan_Aldebourne    Killing admin...    April 28 2011 21:19
Warned by Murt_Rogers    flaming over /L.    April 28 2011 01:15
Warned by Cailan    No noobs , you should know that.    April 24 2011 16:28
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo    cop hunting.    April 22 2011 21:38
Warned by Jimmy_Bowling    Ramming and Carkilling are not allowed please stop.    April 22 2011 19:17
Tempbanned by Salmonella    racism, lying to admins, provoke, ramming.    April 22 2011 13:33
Kicked by Salmonella    not funny - go somewhere else with your ''jokes''.    April 22 2011 13:25
Warned by Salmonella    Drop it.    April 22 2011 13:24
Kicked by [MD]Henry_Vanderbilt    english only.    April 21 2011 21:33
Kicked by Daxx    Ruining event.    April 21 2011 01:02
Banana by Tyrone       April 20 2011 17:29
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy    do not tell others to shut up.    April 19 2011 15:05
Tempbanned by [EVIL]Onotole    flaming in pm - copban might follow.    April 16 2011 22:42
Kicked by [EVIL]Onotole    and i wanted to eat pie - not good reason.    April 16 2011 22:38
Warned by [Rstar]Malcolm    abuse of /h.    April 16 2011 11:46
Banned by Aragorn    constant flame and disrespect to players...    April 11 2011 17:37
Kicked by [Rstar]Malcolm    ramming and carkilling.    April 11 2011 16:14
Banned by Gimli    flame in pm.    April 04 2011 20:16
Tempbanned by Jcstodds    carkilling/ provoking.    April 04 2011 15:47
Warned by DHR.Mike    flaming.    April 03 2011 20:03
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy    flaming, provoking.    April 03 2011 19:57
Ajailed by SkyHawk    Carkilling    April 03 2011 19:39
Kicked by HeavyWeaponsGuy    you = provoke.    April 03 2011 19:12
Ajailed by [RPIT]JDC_Kolta    carkill    April 03 2011 17:34
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo    commenting.    April 03 2011 16:49
Kicked by [WS]Battle_Cuneo    /winch abuse.    April 03 2011 16:38
Kicked by TeaM_Fox    ram.    April 02 2011 21:30
Kicked by [Rstar]Malcolm    script abuse, suicide as a suspect.    April 01 2011 20:31
Warned by Jcstodds    change your name back : ).    April 01 2011 16:32
Banana by HeavyWeaponsGuy       April 01 2011 16:03

Garfield I used you as example as you claimed you might be the cause...