I wanna close my eyes in samp unban request section

[saberman]

A player should only be warned once. Warned once to drop it, if he continues. Banning him can be the administrators choice. I prefer this.

[Mr.Joker]

A player should only be warned once. Warned once to drop it, if he continues. Banning him can be the administrators choice. I prefer this.

People can do mistakes, you don't need to cut their heads for it if is not a big one. A time to rest like a /tempban would be more appreciated. IF their mistakes CONTINUE intentionally then yeah- there should be used an ban. In my opinion, no offence for ones who do not think like mine.

[Leon.]

A player should only be warned once. Warned once to drop it, if he continues. Banning him can be the administrators choice. I prefer this.

It's hard to drop something when you're angry. Honestly, the best thing to do would be to convince the angry player to calm down, tell them that you understand why they are mad and that it may or may not be justifiable, but they still need to chill. But really, this isn't exactly the most efficient way. Admins need to leap from one task to another ASAP.

When it comes to arguments, a minority (no, Gird3r, not the majority, not all, not half, not a quarter - a minority) of admins tend to punish the disgruntled player and disregarding the person who started it to begin with - the instigator. In those cases, those players have every reason to be angry, especially when the one who provoked them is being ignored. However, going wild with FUCK FUCK SHIT FUCK <insert flaming, fu's, b-words, etc, more cusswords here> shouldn't be allowed regardless of the circumstances that caused it.

[Gird3r]

Then what is it that makes it hard to send in an mail regarding that "minority" of admins that are doing thier job wrong according to you?
Yes, what the player has done in the past does have an form of influence.

If an player has been banned 2 times, and then does the same offensive reason again, why should it not be taken into account what the player did before?

If admins completly ignored what players with an punishment record did in the past, then it would be stuck at /Warn /Warn /warn.

2 bans.
Then he does the same.
I highly doubt there should be /warn /warn /warn for that.
I'd say /warn then /kick, if not improving, then /tempban 60 min.
After that /ban.

If we ignored the record. The "Press button to continue" syndrome comes up. Since the player realises that admins don't give an crap about the past record.

If you assault someone.
Then go to jail for 1 month.
Come out.
Assault again.
Jail for 1 month.
Assault again
Jail for 1 month....

There would be no additional punishment since the record is forgotten. It would just loop like that until Aragorn get's pissed and perm-denied said player because his admin team has amnesia.
I could just punch my best friend in the face, he get's pissed. 5 days later I could do the same again, and he would be just as pissed as the last time...
And nothing additional would happen.

I think Cutter and Gimli summed it up really good.

For joker:

Yes people can make mistakes. And I absolutely agree with that.
But there's an difference between mistake and doing it intentionally.

Also, there's also an question of patience.
I cannot do 100 mistakes on the job. I will get kicked for that. Seriosly, it does not work that way.
And that's why you usually practice something in an safe enviroment. The same way we urge new players to read the rules carefully to AVOID doing such mistakes.

Regulars have and are expected to have experience with the rules. New players on the other hand, could be considered to be in an safety net (excluding insta-ban offenses such as hacking or doing adverts for other servers).
Sometime ago, I even saw an regular whining over this. It suprises me really such regulars still needs training wheels when they already got the experience needed to understand the rules. And why whine over it? It's like these specefic regulars expecting to be able to bend the rules in thier own favor.

By being softer on new players, admins aren't giving them an free-ticket to rulebreak as they want.
They are giving them help to understand the rules.

[Leon.]

If an player has been banned 2 times, and then does the same offensive reason again, why should it not be taken into account what the player did before?

Face
fucking
palm
You're missing the whole point I'm making. If a player has a tempban for DMing, a tempban for ramming, and a tempban for carkilling, he should not be full-banned if he flamed in the future just because an admin sees his shitty tempban record. The admin should punish him according to the current situation, not by profiling completely unrelated punishments. 5 tempbans for flaming in the past month, gets caught flaming again = justifiable ban. 5 tempbans with different reasons in the past month, gets caught doing something that he didn't do to get tempbanned in the past = unjustifiable ban.
Post Merge: May 27, 2011, 10:28:44 pm

Regulars [...] are expected to have experience with the rules.

And what if they happen to not? Should they be banned because you expected something from them they didn't have?

[Gimli]

Proves that your skills on argumentative talking has gone far away

Oh, how ironic..

Face
f**king
palm
You're missing the whole point I'm making. If a player has a tempban for DMing, a tempban for ramming, and a tempban for carkilling, he should not be full-banned if he flamed in the future just because an admin sees his shitty tempban record. The admin should punish him according to the current situation, not by profiling completely unrelated punishments.

Why? Assuming he's not a new player and the punishment is not open to interpretation (the player clearly understood he was breaking a rule), he should be punished for constantly breaking the rules.

[Leon.]

Oh, how ironic..


Why? Assuming he's not a new player and the punishment is not open to interpretation (the player clearly understood he was breaking a rule), he should be punished for constantly breaking the rules.

Well, yeah. If any player knowingly and intentionally breaks rules over and over, they should be punished more harshly.

[JayL]

If a player has a tempban for DMing, a tempban for ramming, and a tempban for carkilling, he should not be full-banned if he flamed in the future just because an admin sees his shitty tempban record. The admin should punish him according to the current situation, not by profiling completely unrelated punishments. 5 tempbans for flaming in the past month, gets caught flaming again = justifiable ban. 5 tempbans with different reasons in the past month, gets caught doing something that he didn't do to get tempbanned in the past = unjustifiable ban.

I doubt anyone will actually use /ban in such a case. I mean, flaming is a damn broad thing. It's rare to see someone who can hold their fingers after they get pissed off, but then again I suppose people should pay attention to all rules not learn only one each ''punishment cycle''...

If they discharge their anger too frequently then they also need a while off to start practicing their ''antiraging'' skills.

[Mr.Joker]

Why? Assuming he's not a new player and the punishment is not open to interpretation (the player clearly understood he was breaking a rule), he should be punished for constantly breaking the rules.

Well, what you mean with constantly? Like more times in a week, i hope. I do not think that if he makes some mistakes from month to month he need a hard punishment (depends if their mistakes are intentionally done or not) . Damn, we are humans to forgive, not to show how badass we are. Well, being an admin is hard, i guess, and if he do not know to forgive from my opinion he should not be in the admins team.

[Gimli]

Damn, we are humans to forgive, not to show how badass we are. Well, being an admin is hard, i guess, and if he do not know to forgive from my opinion he should not be in the admins team.

And those who simply think "I only risk getting a warning for this so I'll do break this rule" should not be players.

[Mr.Joker]

And those who simply think "I only risk getting a warning for this so I'll do break this rule" should not be players.

(depends if their mistakes are intentionally done or not)

OFF-TOPIC : I hope my replies are not seen as some challenges. I guess we are all looking for the right thing.

[Traser]

I'll keep it simple : We are all just humans, Admins helping to help and support the community, We all make faulths.. learn to live with it.

[JDC]

Those who already possess adequate knowledge of the rules yet continue to break them deliberately, should be punished harshly and removed from the server.

Regulars are expected to know the rules, period.

As an Owner pointed out, our problem is not with the players who do not know the rules, as we can train them... the real problem is with those who already do, yet break them anyway.

[Hoffmann]

I'll keep it simple : We are all just humans, Admins helping to help and support the community, We all make faulths.. learn to live with it.

It's normal to faulth.
But some of the admins are powerhungry and they don't f**king care about the possition of the player, they just /ban ID Reason, that's it. Murt, Johny Gatt, JDC, Axis, Cutter and few more, are one of those who don't do that.
They just get this as a game, like it should be.

[Whiteman]

I can understand what you're talking about, yesterday we had a plain conversation about women, then Hidduh joined and threatened everyone with a ban, reason "Sexism"... I mean come on, no one was offended, our goal was not to offend anyone, we had a conversation that's all. If admins want to strict something, do it on RP quality, not on rules/punishments for simple things.