To Gandalf

[Admantis]

Well, this is a rather interetant history, I've met Argonath RPG since 2 years ago and I had many fun times. Just because a bunch of morons who really don't have nothing else better to do than accusating Klaus (who is an excellent manager!) for 'corruption' and other false bullshit. Alongside the 'threats', man, we have been throught alot harder stuff than this, and because a crew of morons it gonna get closed down? Ignore, range ban, or block these fuckheads from the server.

VC:MP is not popular like SA:MP due it's engine and antiquety, but like I say 'quality over quantity', because me and my other friends have alot of 'fucking arround' and fun moments, regardingless of their role indepth the server. We all know how Klaus and the managers, including scripters; aXXo and Stormeus have worked hard on this server, we can't just cross our fucking arms and let it fall down. Now, consider this as an obvious 'yes' for the VC:MP Argonath RPG server re-open.

Regards.

[Leet]

Umm... Interesting... I dont expected something like this. I wont let Argonath server go that easy, this server made the 50% of my english skills, thanks to the server, i can talk spanish and english.. Around 3/4 years been here... maybe 2 years of inactivity.. but wont let it go.

So yeah, just like Admantis said, VCMP is not popular like SAMP, since they're quality are different, so cmon dont close this big and great server for some sa:mp bulldogs. If you guys come and call me SAMP player i can tell you guys i dont play it anymore, got me easily bored, i prefer staying at VCMP with my pals. Dont accuse Klaus and administrators for the server quality, since its good, the thing that its bad are the newb-dmers. Yeah, take this as another "Yes" for VC:MP Argonath server re-opening. I didnt spend alot of time for this shit..

[Denlow]

I may be a bit new to this, I may know shit at the moment, but I know one thing... VCMP players love this place and me too, since we had a chat in the admin convo I wasn't playing for months to clear the "f**khead" of the server a bit... And when I come back now it's even worse, and the week I'm playing again the situation and players it's all fine I think... I'm with you guys ^

[Kalvin]

VC:MP is not popular like SA:MP due it's engine and antiquety, but like I say 'quality over quantity',

We all know how Klaus and the managers, including scripters; aXXo and Stormeus have worked hard on this server, we can't just cross our f**king arms and let it fall down. Now, consider this as an obvious 'yes' for the VC:MP Argonath RPG server re-open.

Regards.

Yep Its Right, Server should be up, cuz our Leaders and All the Staff of Argonath worked alot on it,

About *Threats* i don't understand that, "i know some guys who once said me i will hack Argonath on Yahoo i'll never Leave it."
and i think if he will see this, he will contact me.

[saberman]

VC:MP is dead? Are you f**king kidding me? Are you scared of all those idiots who think they can end VC:MP. Joke, right? Total bullsh1t. VC:MP - Argonath was my first multi-player game and server so I can't let it end this way. I'm with VC:MP - Argonath RPG and always will be. You have my support.

[SugarD]

Well, this is a rather interetant history, I've met Argonath RPG since 2 years ago and I had many fun times. Just because a bunch of morons who really don't have nothing else better to do than accusating Klaus (who is an excellent manager!) for 'corruption' and other false bullshit. Alongside the 'threats', man, we have been throught alot harder stuff than this, and because a crew of morons it gonna get closed down? Ignore, range ban, or block these f**kheads from the server.

And your flaming attitude is exactly why the server is closed.

Take heed players...if you want the server to come back, change your attitude. Flaming is not going to get you anything but a permanent closing of the server.

[SpiralRock]

I played yesterday and after that i slept... didnt knew these things were happening after that...

All I want to say to gandalf/aragorn is this:

VCMP server is closed due to these reasons??
Maybe we aint good to RP standards set by some players, who think that Gun-Shooting is not part of an RP.
Maybe we are lenient to new players and hackers.
Maybe when one guy in a gang is wanted, our compadres help them.
Maybe gang-nature in vcmp > ARPD, which shouldnt be the case.
Maybe of ops crasher...
these are some of the many reasons vcmp is history now?

Now I will give some reasons why it should be back:

VCMP can never get same sets of players that are playing on server since 2007. (ex Call_me_Dad/aXXo, klaus, legend)
We never BS on forums or backstab people having other business.
We dont come on SAMP server and like Salmonella try to attain attitude and power typing: Now I am here in vcmp, I will take controls of things, everything gonna be normal now I am here.
Ask aXXo for all chatlogs, thats never been deleted: and you will notice gangs RP more than the "fallen" guys.
Also, you will never get same set of guys who keep server in harmony and peace for years. These set of players made argonath second most busiest server in vcmp.
Even argonath MTA didnt achieved it.
"Also, we are not clicking "connect" button to get pics of admins after provoking them. We click "connect" to play in this server."

The biggest reason ??
Klaus is irreplaceable.
Server was dead for six months. We never seen Salmonella, fabio, JayL helping us. Where were you guys then? Why not helping us?
Who made it? aXXo right. Who bought server back to life? Klaus did with his right attitude and being regular.
Not only these two figures. Every regular vcmp player is responsible for bringing server back from dead.
Since then we have been playing on this server, regularly, emotionally, for what??
To see this day? when the players who bought vcmp to life, played regularly, making friends with newcomers from DM servers are the reason the server is dead? 

And your flaming attitude is exactly why the server is closed.

Take heed players...if you want the server to come back, change your attitude. Flaming is not going to get you anything but a permanent closing of the server.

His flaming has nothing to do with closing of server.
Check samp forum and vcmp section logs. SAMP forums got more flaming each min than vcmp forum has flaming each day.
Our attitude towards server is "right"
Check yours

[[Rstar]Paul]

I'm pretty sure Gandalf mentioned it was temporary in the other topic, just wait and see guys

[SugarD]

I'm pretty sure Gandalf mentioned it was temporary in the other topic, just wait and see guys

He also said it depends on people's future attitudes.

His flaming has nothing to do with closing of server.
Check samp forum and vcmp section logs. SAMP forums got more flaming each min than vcmp forum has flaming each day.
Our attitude towards server is "right"
Check yours

1. That does not matter. He is still flaming regardless, which is not allowed.
2. Check mine? I never flamed anyone.

[Gandalf]

There are some good point made here and some that show the problems.

The good points : VC:MP is not SA:MP and should not become like it. Just as MTA:VC is never going to work like the SA:MP community and we are doing our best to keep the shit away from IV:MP.

The bad points : someone wrote that rulebreakers are accepted because there are not much people.
This is not acceptable. When we started 5 years ago there was one thing people would not get away with, and that was rule breaking. We might be patient by not banning directly, but you could be very sure that any flame or DM would be reacted on right away, and any player who wished to start shit would be out at once. That way you grow the community better as by allowing rules to be broken.

We have made a clear point today to those who wish to resort to backstabbing and reporting behind his back without giving Klaus the chance to resolve issues. We will not bother to sort out all shit. If we need to remove Klaus, we close the server. That does not mean Klaus is free to turn the server in to a DM-flame zone, as that will also lead to it being shut down.
And if Klaus decides it is time to step down, he will have to appoint someone that he trusts can continue to keep the project alive.

So from now on we expect the following:
1. VC:MP team is going to clean up their act, remove rulebreakers, flaming and racism from their community.
2. If anyone finds it necessary to complain on admins or server leaders they report to [email protected] Klaus reads these reports, but so do we and we see whatever reaction or follow up is given.
3. We will never support backstabbers, crashers and people who try to work in secret to show how bad things are without there being a chance for those they point on to reply openly.
4. If the VC:MP team can not handle things, we WILL close the server.

[Aragorn]

If you guys want the server back, don't stop fighting for it, but the attitude in the server needs to change. I can't even begin to count the number of complaints I've received, nor the number of times I've seen admins supporting racist flames with in-game announcements. VC:MP has some serious potential, especially with it's dedicated players and the fact that VC:MP 0.4 is coming out soon, but overall it will not last if the players can't control themselves. The server owners should not have to go out of their way to deal with problems that the admin team should be solving, not creating.

Oh for fuck sake....

Making up stories, digging all the time the old crap, provoking and involving into disrespect and non trust to the Community Leader Klaus all other players, constant bothering owners with the same stuff, crashing server and threatening to do it again and again while we will not remove Klaus (pressing on owners) - all this just finished our patience to the end...

How mane times we heard a story about racial admins and leader Klaus?
When on the investigation it showed that racial logs which we got as "racism from Klaus" with the screenshots was incorrect... We talked with Klaus about it, checked logs who exactly was typing it, Klaus had a talk with admin, admin even apologized on forums...

Still... We constantly get a shit amount of reports about...... this fucking single case which was already solved... This is what I was talking about... It is nothing but a hunting to bring down the Leader... This shameful witchhunting took increadible sizes... We started getting... THE SAME REPORT AND SCREENSHOTS ABOUT THE SAME RASIAL THINGY form those who were not even those times on server... It means this fucking accident which was solved and explained over and over goes around sampers and everyone who did not like Klaus either any admin...

People who are not even witnesses of the situation they accuse VCMP Leader and admins continue to suck this poisoned candy...

Taking our time to investigate things (yeah it looked like Klaus is zomg bastard racist who is everyday spread a lot of shit on server) and finding out that all new complains are still about old stuff pissed us off... As it was taking our time for nothing with old crap, explanations that the accident is already over the admin who did it apologized and other shit, we became be angry...

As for crashers, I said once to the one who told me about them, I can repeat here - I will not fucking pay attention were you my friend or admin on Argonath or wanted your things running much better... Once you will be detected as a crasher - you are fucking out from all Argonath services... That will not even bother us to close all sites for him, we will just block his IP from our servers machines...

And yeah this method of "Klaus is bad!" producing (crashbotters) just showed more Klaus from the positive side, not those who were crying about him...

[SugarD]

Oh for f**k sake....

My post wasn't directed at anyone specifically RON

[Cutt3r]

I am quite a bit in the dark about this but I understand perfectly that things are a little turbulent for VC:MP. Always had the highest respect for Klaus and tried connecting to VC:MP(was not too successful) because I always liked the server, whenever I have connected.
I am appalled at whichever 'SAMPer' has been indulging in such shit - be it a friend, admin, whoever. From the SA:MP side I sincerely am apologetic that SA:MP has such people, whoever they are. I hope that VC:MP will come back, better than ever before.

[TheGreasyChopper]

 I used to play VC:MP while I was banned, community seemed great, lack of roleplay, but who cares, people had fun. From what I've heard from my brother who plays there(Jeff_Sanders), he has lots of fun, he tried out SA:MP from my account once, didn't like it due to shitty behavior to newbies I guess. Back on topic, just because the admins there handle things differently and not with the banhammer in their hand, doesn't mean you have to punish regulars for it. If I am not wrong, SA:MP was crashed numerous times, why don't you just close it too due to "Chances of being hacked again"? I support VC:MP players on this one, keep the server, its their home, its where they have fun. I do not think that removing the server will get things any better(Except for maybe owners paying less for hosting).

[danigold1]

WHAT? the server closed!?