Non-suspect(s) entering a ongoing shootout

[Mashgash]

As the subject, is people who is not suspected allowed to enter a shootout if he/she has a family member who is suspected?
Aswell, if one family member gets suspected, escaping but still are with his/her family members, cops approching and he/she entering the shootout again. What's allowed, what's not allowed? Since, what I heard, if you not are suspected, you aren't allowed to enter a shootout to aid your friends, and if you escaped / died, you should get lost from the current crimescene.

What does the rules says about this, what do you think? I would also like to have an straight answer on this question. Thank you.

[Biggo2]

If you're with that person in the shootout, you may aid.

If people travel across the map to aid a person in a shootout, it's not allowed.

If a gang is fighting off another, they may call backup to kill off the rival gang.

[Jack White]

Simple, if a non-suspect is in the suspects vehicle, he is with him, or if he is constantly following him, and they have the SAME tag, like Gvardia they can shoot.

[Pandalink]

It's generally not considered okay to just roll up to a battle and enter it.

To avoid confusion, if you wish to back up your group, arrive at the scene suspected. Then there is no question and the cops can continue to shoot without confusion.

[Comrade]

The reason friends are not allowed to simply roll up to you and aid you in a shootout is the confusion it may create.
From the opposing groups point of view it'll look like a random guy just came to DM them.

However if a group member that wears the same tag as you rolls up and starts shooting at whoever you are shooting at, it is allowed.
You have the same tag, and therefore help eachother. The tag combined with common sense eliminates the confusion and the opposing group can clearly see who came to DM and who came as backup.

[9r2e5i3k]

Actually having same tag isn't enough.

Cops will pull up to a group of wanted/nonwanted mixed but all with same tag. Cops will suspect - criminals moan "we didn't shoot, abusers". Cops don't suspect - they get backraped.

[Comrade]

That's a risk they take to do their job, Grze. They tell the nonwanted group members to go away or get suspected, simple as that.
Or even better, don't pull up to a group of 4-5 lets say Corleone's only because one of them is wanted. Having backup from the same group has always been allowed. Thats a perk of being in a group, just like the ARPD is entitled to their own backup.

[9r2e5i3k]

@Comrade
Still won't stop moaning and still won't stop mass deathmatching, only induce it more.

[Violet]

Or even better, don't pull up to a group of 4-5 lets say Corleone's only because one of them is wanted. Having backup from the same group has always been allowed. Thats a perk of being in a group, just like the ARPD is entitled to their own backup.

I know it's allowed at Corleone HQ.

It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...

2. Police is chasing some guy and suddenly appears a car with non-wanted civilian who started shooting them... Simply, cops can decide it is a deathmatcher/cophunter... Attack without a reason is not allowed... And this rule plays here not the best role... As for the criminal helper, so for admins who got reports and for sure will freeze you to get the reason of shooting cops...

How to help?
In this case (if you want to shoot cops back) the main target is to get wanted level... Get him into your car and try to get rid of chase... Cops will suspect you for aiding, then aub, your dream became be a reality...

With wanted level you are allowed to help any sort of criminals with any sort of help...

Why is such rule actually?

Well, you see blue nick of cop, you know he can shoot you if you are criminal... So do cops when see a wanted level of your nick... Both sides are equal and do not confuse each other, less misunderstanding, less reports to admins...

The thing is - attack of mafia members at HQ is expectable and understandable...

[Comrade]

@Comrade
Still won't stop moaning and still won't stop mass deathmatching

But then again, nothing will.
As long as there are rules, there will always be some random dipshit there to break them.
And as long as we have random dipshits running around breaking rules, we will have people moaning about it.

[Mashgash]

Actually having same tag isn't enough.

Cops will pull up to a group of wanted/nonwanted mixed but all with same tag. Cops will suspect - criminals moan "we didn't shoot, abusers". Cops don't suspect - they get backraped.

I agree to this. In my opinion, if you are on the crimescene, you want to get involved, I have started to suspect everyone who is present on the crimescene as civilans as long they aren't showing any way they trying to avoid the situation. This starting alot of moaning, but if we don't suspect, we might be backstabbed.

So, Corleone can protect their owns, Gvarida can protect their owns etc..? How about if they travel from SF to LS just to help their family member? I would like to clear this out, since it's happening everyday.

[Comrade]

How about if they travel from SF to LS just to help their family member? I would like to clear this out, since it's happening everyday.

That's called backup.
If a car with fully armed members of said group suddenly rolls up and starts drivebying you, I think it's pretty obvious they are helping the one you are attacking.
It's not deathmatching, as they do have a roleplay reason (which is protecting/rescuing their own.)

I'm not saying I am 100% correct though, as this is only what I see. I mean, common sense. Never seen anybody punished for being backup though, except for untagged associated/friends.

[Cero]

That's called backup.
If a car with fully armed members of said group suddenly rolls up and starts drivebying you, I think it's pretty obvious they are helping the one you are attacking.
It's not deathmatching, as they do have a roleplay reason (which is protecting/rescuing their own.)

I'm not saying I am 100% correct though, as this is only what I see. I mean, common sense. Never seen anybody punished for being backup though, except for untagged associated/friends.

You are not correct.

You have to be wanted if you want to help your friends by shooting at cops, if you arrive late. If you were there the whole time you can shoot. If your friend is being chased and you drive-by the cop without being wantedthat is deathmatching.. Simple..

[9r2e5i3k]

@Comrey
You got it wrong. The whole deal with the "rp reason" is that the TARGET/PERSON ATTACKED knows why is he shot at.

And since the server is not a team deathmatch, just "being on the other team" is not a valid reason to attack "the other team".

[Gandalf]

That's called backup.
If a car with fully armed members of said group suddenly rolls up and starts drivebying you, I think it's pretty obvious they are helping the one you are attacking.
It's not deathmatching, as they do have a roleplay reason (which is protecting/rescuing their own.)

I'm not saying I am 100% correct though, as this is only what I see. I mean, common sense. Never seen anybody punished for being backup though, except for untagged associated/friends.

If you want to see punishment do it when owners are on server and spectating...