Hang on a Minute....

[Julio.]

I remeber on my unban request ages ago, when I was not believed about CLEO, I said that Admins should actually check the player instead of relying on the scripts. Admins nowadays are turning into System Operators instead of Administrating...  Not referring to all Admins, but some are.

It's not a race to see who can punish who first, you should all take on the attitude Innocent until proven guilty, thats the way I treat it as an Admin in Paruni.

[Mr.Joker]

I remeber on my unban request ages ago, when I was not believed about CLEO, I said that Admins should actually check the player instead of relying on the scripts. Admins nowadays are turning into System Operators instead of Administrating...  Not referring to all Admins, but some are.

It's not a race to see who can punish who first, you should all take on the attitude Innocent until proven guilty, thats the way I treat it as an Admin in Paruni.

How the heck you know how we work, eh?

You think that we punish people because is fun? damn no.

We works as a team, giving informations to each other, checking them always.

Some of you should kiss some asses because sometimes we gave more chances than we should.

Im so fucking tired of some of yours attitude, we're working our asses to make justice, you sit in your confortable chair and moan about something that you do not even know.

Peace,
Joker.

[9r2e5i3k]

Rule is clear and simple. Use mods at own risk.

If it spawns you something, you're getting banned. If you're sure that it won't spawn you anything, why worry? If you know that it might spawn you something, and you don't want to get banned and later explain the situation, don't use the mod.

[Raykaza]

How the heck you know how we work, eh?

You think that we punish people because is fun? damn no.

We works as a team, giving informations to each other, checking them always.

Some of you should kiss some asses because sometimes we gave more chances than we should.

Im so f**king tired of some of yours attitude, we're working our asses to make justice, you sit in your confortable chair and moan about something that you do not even know.

Peace,
Joker.

wat.

Rule is clear and simple. Use mods at own risk.

If it spawns you something, you're getting banned. If you're sure that it won't spawn you anything, why worry? If you know that it might spawn you something, and you don't want to get banned and later explain the situation, don't use the mod.

Same bullshit again,say something we dont know.

[9r2e5i3k]

Same bullshit again,say something we dont know.

Rules are not bullshit. Bullshit is someone playing here for some time and still not being able to comply to such simple rules (which have been already explained numerous times).

[Raykaza]

Rules are not bullshit. Bullshit is someone playing here for some time and still not being able to comply to such simple rules (which have been already explained numerous times).

Its bullshit banning people for something allowed,its like you're saying "use the mod but you can get banned for that".then just disallow it and this probleme is solved.

[9r2e5i3k]

With that attitude every mod would have to be classified by admins. That's just a waste of time. Making admins chase every certain mod user would be rediculous, especially when people would moan "omg admin but it doesn't do anything".

And if a mod would be classified as safe, and it started acting like a cheat, the player would get banned anyway. Then would moaning start about "omg admins you said this mod was safe and allowed".

The current rule is simple, straight-forward, fair and rather non restrictive.

[Nathan]

Ignorantia legis neminem excusat.

[SugarD]

Rule is clear and simple. Use mods at own risk.

Grzesiek pretty much answered this entire topic.

Now before people get into a moan-fest about CLEO being the cause of the hacked weapons, it has been proven that it is not CLEO on it's own. Something, somewhere along the lines is causing it, but it's not just CLEO or CLEO and ELM by themselves. Someone is either using something they shouldn't, or CLEO is having a conflict with a server script that is causing bugs to arise that lead to this. No other server has reported any issues with CLEO 3 or 4 regarding this, the issues are not present in any version of CLEO, and it's only recently that Argo's SA:MP server has run into this problem, which leads it to prove that it's unique to our server and/or it's players. Again, always use mods at your own risk as Grzesiek said, but people need to also stop assuming that every single person is a hacker just because they use a specific mod. This paranoia is causing users to be banned unknowingly, and it's also leading to users getting angry at the admins for no reason.

If you suddenly think you have hacked weapons, PM an admin immediately and explain to them how it happened so they can help you hunt it down instead of ban you. Until we find the true cause of this, people just need to calm down, be cautious, and stop blaming each other. The rules in this community regarding mods have never changed, so there's no reason to flip out over it now.

[Julio.]

What I am saying, is how can you expect people to KNOW about this issue?

It doesn't have a big sticker on the side saying 'I SPAWN WEAPONS' does it?

Ignorantia legis neminem excusat.

Great, you know a latin quote, but not really applicable here because people do not KNOW that CLEO does anything wrong, thus nothing dissuades them from downloading it.

[SugarD]

What I am saying, is how can you expect people to KNOW about this issue?

It doesn't have a big sticker on the side saying 'I SPAWN WEAPONS' does it?

I'm not against your statement either. This issue has already been proved to be unique to our SA:MP server for unknown reasons, so if admins investigate the issue with the user, I think it would become fairly obvious that it was not intended. I do agree that using mods is at your own risk, as stated before, but it's also down to our Developers to figure out why only this specific server is getting the issue. In that case, it's not just a user at fault for their mods, but it's the server itself at fault too due to an unknown bug. Obviously neither CLEO nor ELM on their own spawn weapons, so there must be some sort of conflict being triggered by the mods and the server's scripts/settings that is causing it to pop up...especially when it's so recent when ELM has been around for quite some time in this community.

[Murt]

What I know of it triggers when the player who has CLEO and ELM enters a vehicle as a passenger during some circumstances. All have said it, and then the weapon spawn come.

I'll write this as a warning now, when this happens. /q immediatly and remove CLEO and ELM from your game and the weapon spawn will be gone.

[Devin]

Why should we start inspecting? If we get warnings about someone spawning minigun or anything else, we take it as weapon hacking and taking the appropiate actions for it. As said before, you are using mods at your own risk, we are not babysitters.

I never said once that you need to babysit the players, I merely said that you cant always rely on scripts to do your job for you, they are merely a warning system, so if you get a warning, you investigate that warning to see whether its true or not.
Doing administration work is not babysitting, if you see it as the same I have to say in all honesty you could do with a break from the game.

[SugarD]

Why should we start inspecting? If we get warnings about someone spawning minigun or anything else, we take it as weapon hacking and taking the appropiate actions for it. As said before, you are using mods at your own risk, we are not babysitters.

Babysitter or not, it is your job regardless. Server reports are just as important as player reports. You shouldn't be banning the second you get a warning about possible weapon hacks. What if the server is bugging and the player is innocent? Those warnings are only there to assist you in doing your job, not do it for you. That's the same reason why Jeffrey is in the server. If admins were meant to just ban as soon as they saw that message, then the scripts would be made to auto-ban upon finding the weapons, not warn admins so they can investigate it.

[Zaila]

If admins were meant to just ban as soon as they saw that message, then the scripts would be made to auto-ban

I never said admins are ment to just ban out from the blue. But you still dont see the point. How many times do i have to repeat myself?

If we get a message about you trying to spawn a minigun, you are trying it, on purpose or not on purpose, you are still doing so. Therefor, it's treated as you are hacking and you will eventually get banned for it. As said, you are using mods at your OWN risk. Do not try to bullshit the administration team or point fingers at us because of YOUR mod.