Glitches : what we (do not) allow and why.

[Morphine]

If you are referring to the bug where a user holds the weapon to continue "shooting" after they run out of ammo and it's intentional, that should be a straight ban for script abuse.

Sorry to say but that is not Ghost Shooting.

Vice City Multiplayer - lagger gets ghost-shot.

This is. An old video by ULK.HeAD. Refer to 0:19 to discover what a Ghost Shot is indeed!  :alert"

[SugarD]

That's just abuse of desync for an advantage. That should be disallowed just like sliding is.

[Klaus]

Ghost shots are impossible to detect

[SugarD]

Ghost shots are impossible to detect

Pretty obvious to see though. Admins can easily investigate it.

[Klaus]

Pretty obvious to see though.

It's really not..

[Morphine]

It is pretty obvious to see when you bother recording yourself doing it. Otherwise, you won't differentiate a ghost shot from a normal shot. Please do not try to argue with me about it either since we both know I know far more than you about VC:MP's glitches.

[SugarD]

It is pretty obvious to see when you bother recording yourself doing it. Otherwise, you won't differentiate a ghost shot from a normal shot. Please do not try to argue with me about it either since we both know I know far more than you about VC:MP's glitches.

And if users see it constantly being used, they can record a video of the user who uses it and show it to admins, effectively getting them banned. Just because it's hard to spot doesn't mean it should be allowed. There have been countless users banned before for using advantages that were nearly undetectable through normal methods.

[stormeus]

Someone ghost shooting on one person's screen will show up as a normal shot on another's. This is why it's impossible to detect.

[SugarD]

Someone ghost shooting on one person's screen will show up as a normal shot on another's. This is why it's impossible to detect.

Impossible or not, doesn't mean it should be allowed. I'm sure if admins see a user being too good with their shots and they question the user, they can catch them eventually slip up in their story

[Klaus]

I'm sure if admins see a user being too good with their shots and they question the user, they can catch them eventually

OMG pure genius!

[Morphine]

I'm not trying to be cocky but I'm being too good with my shots a lot of times too and no one's ever accused me of ghost shooting for the only reason that I do not do it.

You can NOT in any way detect ghost shots other than being shown by the person who's doing it through material such as videos.

Just as stormeus said, they will differ 0% from normal shots on the screen of the person who's being shot by them.

[SugarD]

So just because we can't detect it doesn't mean it shouldn't be disallowed? That puts off a great message to players...

[Morphine]

Well that'll be like trying to find one ant in an entire colony. Good luck on banning people for ghosting.

[Willy]

look, many of these glitches are undetectable...

Wall glitching, player may or may not using it... marcell in that pic showed his shots were coming inside the wall... But otherwise it was not detectable many times... UNLESS he is hiding behind a roof 20 feet taller than him...

Also, many times players are accused for the non-seeing vehicle glitch... But 90 % times its not their mistake...

Admins will find it hard to find who glitches or not... So these glitches should be allowed, except like shooting through the WHOLE COVERED WALLS like biker bar's / bank glasses.

Also, VCMP 0.4 will REMOVE these bugs and glitches, why make controversial decisions right now... It may cause righteous guys banned...

[Kessu]

SugarD: If you were told the facts, you have no need to keep on arguing. If you can't detect something, you can't punish for it. That ghost-shooting happens to non-experienced players in combat alot, especially old bunnyhoppers. Also when your experienced player, you can do it and none can say nothing, it CANNOT be detected.

Also what Spiral said.. Sometimes people shoot just over the wall, do they now get accused of wallglitching?