Glitches : what we (do not) allow and why.

[SugarD]

...why make controversial decisions right now... It may cause righteous guys banned...

So you're saying that people who abuse bugs to get an advantage are righteous?

SugarD: If you were told the facts, you have no need to keep on arguing. If you can't detect something, you can't punish for it.

Bullshit. Regardless, that doesn't make it allowed.

[Kessu]

So you're saying that people who abuse bugs to get an advantage are righteous?
Bullshit. Regardless, that doesn't make it allowed.

Disallowing it is useless anyways, I don't see why make a rule about it. Only one person can detect your ghost shooting and that's yourself.

[SugarD]

Disallowing it is useless anyways, I don't see why make a rule about it. Only one person can detect your ghost shooting and that's yourself.

Detecting or not, it still falls under the rule of a glitch that gives you an advantage, therefore it's disallowed.

[Klaus]

Allowed or disallowed, doesn't matter. It changes nothing as either way no one will get punished for it.

[SugarD]

Allowed or disallowed, doesn't matter. It changes nothing as either way no one will get punished for it.

It does still matter. Why would we ever allow it in the first place? We can't detect all hacks, yet they are still disallowed. Just because there's no off-the-hand way of detecting people abusing this glitch doesn't mean it shouldn't be disallowed either. Telling new players and Regulars that they can use it because they won't get caught is encouraging them to abuse a bug that the administration can't fight back against. That's literally asking for rulebreaking.

[Kessu]

It does still matter. Why would we ever allow it in the first place? We can't detect all hacks, yet they are still disallowed. Just because there's no off-the-hand way of detecting people abusing this glitch doesn't mean it shouldn't be disallowed either. Telling new players and Regulars that they can use it because they won't get caught is encouraging them to abuse a bug that the administration can't fight back against. That's literally asking for rulebreaking.

We haven't encouraged using combat glitches, any slightly experienced knows them already

[Willy]

lol... SugarD
Then I see a ban coming to you then also... There are glitches everyone use... means everyone...

When you sprint, you dont hold m4 right, when you have to run?? Oh right, we all do... What it does??

Oh yes, you are not letting the animation play ( player emptying the clip and charging it... ), and u get 30 rounds back... Its a glitch...

What we do, send verbal warnings? or stop playing GTA... Post ur next post when you actually are thinking over this topic, and not for the sake of conversation

[SugarD]

lol... SugarD
Then I see a ban coming to you then also... There are glitches everyone use... means everyone...

When you sprint, you dont hold m4 right, when you have to run?? Oh right, we all do... What it does??

Oh yes, you are not letting the animation play ( player emptying the clip and charging it... ), and u get 30 rounds back... Its a glitch...

What we do, send verbal warnings? or stop playing GTA... Post ur next post when you actually are thinking over this topic, and not for the sake of conversation

Provoking will get you no where, and no, I don't use glitches. I never have. Not once. Most people actually DON'T use them. Those who just think they are being sneaky to bypass the rules are those who do. If you don't like the server rules, that's just too bad.

[stormeus]

It would seem a lot of us have strayed off-topic. Let's recap.

Glitches are fun, as they show things of how the game was created, and are often caused because GTA:VC is by nature a single-player game, which has a different level of integrity needed as a multiplayer where players will explore the world longer and more thorough.
There for to hunt for glitches and show them off is something that over time always has had a lot of followers.

However there is another use for glitches, and that is to use them in order to obtain advantage over others. Especially in combat situations many people try to take shortcuts in order to win a fight.

Using these glitches for fun or in special circumstances is not a problem at all.
Using them to 'win' make you a loser, lamer and cheater.
Using glitches in combat on Argonath server was, is and will remain off-limits, our players should fight with honour and not by lowering their standards to those of servers where winning is more important as having fun.

That means all combat glitches used for your advantage are inherently prohibited. Ghost shooting falls under this as well, regardless of whether it's detectable or not. Certain hacks aren't easily detectable as well, but Argonath doesn't allow them either. For those of you saying that glitching is a part of the game or that it's a tactic, this isn't exactly true. Glitches aren't made to be there, else they wouldn't be called glitches. However, there are tactics and strategies that you can use that don't involve combat glitches.

Regardless of whether or not VC:MP 0.4 will remove these glitches, that does not mean they will be allowed for the time being. I understand that there's been confusion over the status of combat glitches as administrators and players alike were not well informed. However, the VC:MP Rules thread states that they're disallowed, as do an owner and a community leader.

These are server and community rules. There's really no way to override them without owner approval, and I think it's been made pretty clear that combat glitching won't be allowed any time in the future.

Lastly, the good lot of you don't seem to be supportive of your own server, saying that by disallowing combat glitches, the player count will decrease, we have to stop playing GTA, etc. This isn't going to be an instantaneous /c ban player glitching situation. There'll be verbal warnings. As the server becomes more accustomed to it, we will begin giving out punishments such as warnings, kicks, and if need be, tempbans and bans. However, if you still can't get used to it, that's your problem.

Those who just can't live without glitches, well, then you're probably a

a loser, lamer and cheater

[SugarD]

Lastly, the good lot of you don't seem to be supportive of your own server, saying that by disallowing combat glitches, the player count will decrease, we have to stop playing GTA, etc.

And anyone who thinks the player count would drop due to the disallowing of glitches, including those used in combat, should take a second look at their own roleplaying methods. This is called Argonath RPG, not Argonath Glitch-And-Kill.

[Willy]

I never have. Not once. Most people actually DON'T use them. Those who just think they are being sneaky to bypass the rules are those who do. If you don't like the server rules, that's just too bad.

ye and Osama bin laden was never a terrorist, he was a businessman...

That means all combat glitches used for your advantage are inherently prohibited. Ghost shooting falls under this as well, regardless of whether it's detectable or not. Certain hacks aren't easily detectable as well, but Argonath doesn't allow them either. For those of you saying that glitching is a part of the game or that it's a tactic, this isn't exactly true. Glitches aren't made to be there, else they wouldn't be called glitches. However, there are tactics and strategies that you can use that don't involve combat glitches.

Now, players will be given verbal warnings for shooting half m4/ruger/spaz clip and sprint...
 :alc:

[SugarD]

ye and Osama bin laden was never a terrorist, he was a businessman...

Now, players will be given verbal warnings for shooting half m4/ruger/spaz clip and sprint...
 :alc:

You have completely failed to grasp this topic, but thank you for flaming me for no apparent reason after making false accusations.

The point of this topic has been made clear several times. If you cannot handle not glitching, find another community.

[Willy]

Lastly, the good lot of you don't seem to be supportive of your own server, saying that by disallowing combat glitches, the player count will decrease, we have to stop playing GTA, etc.

The point of this topic has been made clear several times. If you cannot handle not glitching, find another community.

yes, someone is encouraging players to leave the server without knowing what he is typing...

[stormeus]

yes, someone is encouraging players to leave the server without knowing what he is typing...

Please, do not take my quote out of context.

[SugarD]

yes, someone is encouraging players to leave the server without knowing what he is typing...

Oh, I don't know what I'm typing?

Times of unpunished shit is ended, boys and girls...
Either grow f**king up or leave the server...

Using them to 'win' make you a loser, lamer and cheater.
Using glitches in combat on Argonath server was, is and will remain off-limits, our players should fight with honour and not by lowering their standards to those of servers where winning is more important as having fun.

Once again, if you don't like the community rules, find another community. No one is stopping you, and no one will change them just because you don't like them.