Glitches : what we (do not) allow and why.

[Morphine]

Some of you can be directly compared to first graders trying to solve rocket science. If you do not know much about a topic, there's no need to show the other people who do actually know that you don't. If you have a way to detect Ghost shots then I beg you to also give me a way to differentiate FPS cheaters and legit 30 FPS players.

[SugarD]

Some of you can be directly compared to first graders trying to solve rocket science. If you do not know much about a topic, there's no need to show the other people who do actually know that you don't. If you have a way to detect Ghost shots then I beg you to also give me a way to differentiate FPS cheaters and legit 30 FPS players.

So you're saying because we can't detect it, we should still allow them to use it, unfair or not? That hardly makes sense at all.

[Gandalf]

I've just sent a letter of question to the Rockstar Games developers about fast-switching in Vice City. I guess their reply will strongly contribute to this argument and they will tell us whether fast-switching was part of their original project or a VC:MP exploit.

I doubt the developers will have a clue what you are talking about.

[Morphine]

I doubt they won't have clues about it but I kind of felt it would be pointless.

Christopher F, Oct-01 00:17 (EDT):
Hello

Unfortunately we do not support the use of mods and also as Vice City was brought out with no multiplayer functionality we are unable to help.

I will now close this ticket but if you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact ourselves.

Kind regards
Christopher

[Gandalf]

yes, someone is encouraging players to leave the server without knowing what he is typing...

I know what I am type, and I see that you are knowingly abusing ammo glitches, which means you would deserve a ban.

[Gandalf]

Allowed or disallowed, doesn't matter. It changes nothing as either way no one will get punished for it.

Incorrect. The same procedure should be followed as with keybinds or handling mods.
We can not detect what is on a computer, but if people are letting know that they are using forbidden things they are to be punished.

[Morphine]

Yeah, that's if they'd be thick enough to brag about those mods.

[SugarD]

Yeah, that's if they'd be thick enough to brag about those mods.

If caught in any way at all, they would be banned regardless of bragging or not. If you are using a mod you know can't be easily detected, and you do it on purpose, expect to never be unbanned once caught.

[Morphine]

Anyway this topic is getting nowhere. We'd need someone who's actually professional in VC:MP's science to talk in here for a minute.

[EliteTerm]

Anyway this topic is getting nowhere. We'd need someone who's actually professional in VC:MP's science to talk in here for a minute.

What science?

Guys.. Gandalf has already explained/ given answers about using glitches.. why are you guys still trying to cause arguments about it? He already gave the final word, get over it.

[Kessu]

I'd say I stand behind of what Morphine said. Not even I know even half of the tricks that could be used in combat, but everyone uses fast-reload (with m4 by quickly changing weapons). That's basically same as ghost shooting.

But anyways, if this topic doesn't go further, it should be locked. All the rules that apply have been told in the topic already.

SugarD: Please, stop your nonsense and act like a human for once, instead of a robot..

[Yennah]

helo to all argonths

i am think that this wil be situations of the theory vs realitys

in theory the argonth sever and all other admens of sub communtys have say that glitch is not allow of any kind and will hav punishements to doing this but in realities in argonth vc;mp players will alway glitch and will not get ban you wil nevr prevent it fully.  :banana:

also no ofeences but i am think that there is not 1 admin in argonth vc;mp who kno every single glith

edit: pls stop sugard i hav read to all your post and i am hav come to conclusiion that you want be able to contributate to this discusion but you do not hav the full experiences of vc;mp to do it. :S:S

[~Legend~]

Sugar, going back to a reply that you had posted towards me - remember, this topic is for discussion, as there *is* clear discrepancy between what can be classified as right or wrong. No one's trying to throw things in the face of the Owners, Community Leaders or the Argonath Vision.

Each and every game/server supported by Argonath RPG is unique in one way or another. It's only right that we manage and develop in that respect. Certain things are clear glitches and do give people a + over others.
Let's not change the context of things.

Some people were talking about fast methods that can only be picked up by experience - dodge, jump, move, shoot or whatever. Certain techniques could be used in unison/in combinations to good effect.
Unintentional glitches (these can usually be set aside from those that are abused) may happen in combat... say... when you carry out a particular action, the results may look alike, however due to poor sync or faults in the multiplayer system it may be logged differently.

It's difficult to put into perspective if you have never seen/checked it yourself.

Yes - *all* glitches that are just glitches and give an advantage should not be allowed.
We just need to pick up on what exactly is a glitch in VC:MP combat, and can be classified as one.

[muzdaaz]

Yes - *all* glitches that are just glitches and give an advantage should not be allowed.
We just need to pick up on what exactly is a glitch in VC:MP combat, and can be classified as one.

Yes, everything is not black and white. We could actually make an overview of all of them, and discuss what is considered as major advantage and what is not. This would be the best solution, as then people would know the limits. Some people who are trying to contribute to this topic clearly have not played VCMP much, so come ingame and try those "advantages" out.

[ferrari32]

Basically, if you give a 5 year old a gun, he's gonna use it, even tho everyone tells him not to. Same thing with fast switch and some glitches.